Alpa endorsed hour reduction plan.

z987k said:
That assumes they retire at 65. There might be a case that if they were still working it might extend it a few years till they die on the job.
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The data does not assume retiring at 65.
 
z987k said:
Oh, I thought you were referring to that study from the early 2000s that had retirement age and death age.
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Nope!

This is just a spreadsheet that a network of retired pilots somewhat 'publishes' that lists start date, retirement date, "end of watch" and runs figures. I know (knew?) a few guys on the list and it seems accurate.
 
Any effort to break it out based on what kind of flying the guys tended to do most of their careers? I'm wondering if there might be any correlation between long-haul flying and life expectancy.
 
The over-arching message is that you have less time than you think, be healthy (just because you're skinny and run marathons does not mean you're healthy says my friend the ectomorphic marathon runner who had a heart attack or the other athletic friend that almost died from Deep Vein Thrombosis) and realize that life has already begun.

Average means half died before 66.49 and half died after 66.49. Which half do you think you're in? Which half are you actually in? :)

Discussing mortality isn't negative, it's acceptance of the inevitability that those that don't save for retirement are going to get their asses kicked as they outlive their savings, and that those that forgo life in order to hoard money for retirement are just going to end up with some wealthy, entitled inheritors.
 
Derg said:
It means "go live now" because your wining, dining and "ZOMG!!! I got a green slip" doesn't mean jack if you don't stay healthy to enjoy it.
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That's quite sobering
Guess I should start building that RV8 *before* I retire...

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nibake said:
Great, now there is something wrong with me because I am technologically competent and don't have a facebook account. JC does not disappoint!
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You're in good company. We are smart enough to know that facebook (and all the other social media apps) users are the product not the customer.
 
Derg said:
It means "go live now" because your wining, dining and "ZOMG!!! I got a green slip" doesn't mean jack if you don't stay healthy to enjoy it.
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I absolutely will and I'll never take my time off for gran- 16 credit hours to do one leg? Damn? Just sitting there?

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ATN_Pilot said:
You're ignoring the fact that your extended two years is in the right seat and not the left, or at least in lower paying equipment. The only guy who gets an extended 2 years of pay is the guy already in the captain seat in maxed out equipment. Everyone else has to work longer than he originally planned to work in order to make the same amount of money. Again, it's just math.
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Exactly. I’m about a year from 737 captain. I don’t know if I’d be more pissed if they passed an age extension just before that delayed my upgrade or just after that left me on short call reserve for 2 years.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
To the best of my knowledge, while Japan's laws for "commercial pilots" allow retirement at 67, I don't believe any of their airlines operating internationally allow retirement after 65, so it's not an issue. Pilots retire from the Japanese airlines at 65 and then can go fly for a small intra-country operator until later, but there's no flying at JAL until 67. It's possible this has changed, but I doubt it.

I seriously doubt it. At least in the foreseeable future.
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No, it sounds like, they will still be able to fly until their 68 birthday, working at the likes of JAL or All Nippon.

https://www.rt.com/news/252397-japan-raises-pilot-age/

Older pilots will be limited to 80 percent of the normal flying maximum – resulting in 80 hours per month, or 216 hours over three months. Those over the age of 65 must undergo epilepsy tests and be accompanied by a co-pilot aged 59 or younger.

Also from a 05/30/17 article. China is in the midst of raising their mandatory retirement age from the age 60 to as of yet an unknown age. Many suspect age 67.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...0/china-raise-mandatory-retirement-age-pilots

Again unfortunately, it looks like IMO Age 67, in the US will probably be a reality somewhere in the next decade.
 
I don't understand the epilepsy test.
What they need is a cognitive aptitude test. Multi tasking 3 or more items and 4d spatial/time awareness.
 
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learhawkerbe400 said:
Exactly. I’m about a year from 737 captain. I don’t know if I’d be more pissed if they passed an age extension just before that delayed my upgrade or just after that left me on short call reserve for 2 years.
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At a company like mine, where growth is the driver of upgrades, not retirements, age 67 won’t delay things much. It will delay my schedule improvements after about 2025 when our retirements start to kick in. But otherwise the pay won’t really be impacted.
 
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