Air France's New Airline For Millennials

[av8tr1]

Then look what their kids accomplished.

Like I said the universe isn't linear. Generations don't always advance society. The next generation isn't going to automatically be better than the last.

Same thing happens in families. A highly successful father or mother does not automatically breed highly successful kids. Highly successful parents more often than not breed self entitled brats who have no concept of the value of hard work.

 

[Bob Ridpath]

I wasn't there personally but I don't recall any stories of those who survived the Great Depression whining about having to work harder than thier parents for the same thing? In point of fact I seem to recall that same generation fought and won the worst war the world had ever seen.

The universe isn't linear. What was easy for one generation isn't automatically going to be easier for the next.

I was there, for a lifetime. There is truth here.

 

[Skåning]

Older generations have, since the beginning of time, always criticized youth. This is nothing new and the WWI generation always thought of their kids (the WWIIers) as being soft. Here's a quote from 1904 complaining about kids these days!

Never has youth been exposed to such dangers of both perversion and arrest as in our own land and day. Increasing urban life with its temptations, prematurities, sedentary occupations, and passive stimuli just when an active life is most needed, early emancipation and a lessening sense for both duty and discipline, the haste to know and do all befitting man's estate before its time, the mad rush for sudden wealth and the reckless fashions set by its gilded youth--all these lack some of the regulatives they still have in older lands with more conservative conditions.

Here are 14 other quotes that show the geezers have hated the up and comers.

I know this site is always light hearted but you guys getting wrapped around the axel making a blanket statement about a generation is just misplaced irritation.

 

[Hiboglossi]

I've noticed a lot of millennial aged people whining about their peers, they most definitely don't want to be portrayed as a "millennial". Whether or not they act like one in real life is up for speculation, can't tell from a message board (not necessarily this one).

Honestly I've noticed this too, generally these people complain about other millennials and claim to better than the rest of their generation because. Ironically in doing so they believe they are special, which is one the major millennial stereotypes/

There is a reason they were called the "greatest generation". They had it much harder than today's millennials. Look at all the accomplished. Everything from WW2 to some of the largest infrastructure projects in the world many which rival the 7 great wonders of the world. I can't imagine any way that millennials have it harder than they did. Yet they sucked it up and drove on. They did the jobs that needed doing. Sure they likely complained about it but nothing like what the average millennial does. That's not to say all millennials are like that but it sure seems like a lot of them are that way,

Certainly life was much harder during the Great Depression and World War 2 than nowadays, and I never said it wasn't.

However, it was always seemed odd to me to arbitrarily divide society into generations; I doubt there are really significant differences between them. It also seems odd to give credit to an entire generation for winning WW2; it would make more sense to give credit to the specific people who actually fought in the war, or built those infrastructure projects. Also Millennials are still young enough that few of us are in positions of power, so I don't see how our generation is to blame for a lack of infrastructure projecst, if those are so important to you.

However, there is evidence that Millennials are, on average, less wealthy than the last few generations were at the same age https://dailyinequality.com/2017/03...-those-now-in-their-40s-were-at-the-same-age/ . This is partly because of globalization, and as much as most people refuse to believe it, it seems clear to me that we are also witnessing the dawn of Technological Unemployment. But whatever the causes, you can hardly expect people to be happy about facing diminished opportunity compared to previous generations, especially when we are often falsely accused of being lazy and having a sense of entitlement.

Certainly most people throughout history have had it much worse- prior to modern times life was generally short and brutish compared to today, and contrary to popular belief we are actually living in the least violent era in history. But it seems a shame for the fact that the past was worse to be used as an excuse not to do anything about the problems we face in the present, or to dismiss criticism of these problems. After all I doubt World War 2 was won by pointing out that the generation that fought the Civil War had it worse...

 

[knot4u]

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[poser765]

There is a reason they were called the "greatest generation". They had it much harder than today's millennials. Look at all the accomplished. Everything from WW2 to some of the largest infrastructure projects in the world many which rival the 7 great wonders of the world. I can't imagine any way that millennials have it harder than they did. Yet they sucked it up and drove on. They did the jobs that needed doing. Sure they likely complained about it but nothing like what the average millennial does. That's not to say all millennials are like that but it sure seems like a lot of them are that way,

I don't think there is any any way to prove it unequivocally, but I would wager money that we millenials do not complain any more than previous generations. What makes it seem that way is interconnectivity. The fact is we are more connected to others today than society has ever been... EVER. Facebook, Twitter, snap chat, YouTube, chaturbate, whatever. At no other point in human history has the individual been more connected to others on a global level than now. Our thoughts and opinions we regularly share in a medium that's partially permanent and globally reaching. That's all there for you to see and guide your opinions.

That also means confirmation bias is much easier to receive as well. As many outlets as we have to share our thoughts you have just as many you can access to confirm your opinion of us. You can find clickbait articles with titles like "10 reasons why millenials suck" in almost every publication from the NY Times to buzzfeed, to... Well, chaturbate.

TLDR we aren't any different than your generation or your parent's... We just have better social media.

 

[Quarryman]

Pay? Bases? Upgrade times?

And, do you have to wear a hat? Can I skate around the terminal on heelys? But, most importantly, will I receive a backpack as part of my uniform?

 

[SeanD]

Can Joon like maybe pick me up at my house and give me a ride to the airport at least 30 minutes before the flight?

 

[Hiboglossi]

I don't think there is any any way to prove it unequivocally, but I would wager money that we millenials do not complain any more than previous generations. What makes it seem that way is interconnectivity. The fact is we are more connected to others today than society has ever been... EVER. Facebook, Twitter, snap chat, YouTube, chaturbate, whatever. At no other point in human history has the individual been more connected to others on a global level than now. Our thoughts and opinions we regularly share in a medium that's partially permanent and globally reaching. That's all there for you to see and guide your opinions.

That also means confirmation bias is much easier to receive as well. As many outlets as we have to share our thoughts you have just as many you can access to confirm your opinion of us. You can find clickbait articles with titles like "10 reasons why millenials suck" in almost every publication from the NY Times to buzzfeed, to... Well, chaturbate.

TLDR we aren't any different than your generation or your parent's... We just have better social media.

Exactly. There is simply more information available to more people than ever before, so it is easier than ever to have your beliefs reinforced. As @Skåning pointed out, it has long been customary for each generation to be accused of sloth, entitlement, etc. when they were the ages Millennials are at now. And it is easier than ever for older generations to confirm these notions. This is also why, as I mentioned in my last post, most people believe the world is more dangerous and violent than ever before when in fact the opposite is true- it is much easier to hear about every crime and act of violence now than in the past.

 

[Maximilian_Jenius]

I find anecdotally that I clash the most with the mid-40s career changer crowd.

Ha. That's gonna be... May!

I mean, me!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Ha. That's gonna be... May!

I mean, me!

Cool, dude.

 

[av8tr1]

This was timely this morning.

http://as-per-usual.tumblr.com/post/156357207507/based-on-a-tweet-by-sickofwolves-webtoon

 

[ppragman]

The "entitled millennial" stereotype being shouted vitriolically by the most entitled group of Gordon Gecko asshats since robber baron times is the "let them eat cake" of the modern world.

Screw the haters - millenials are the best educated, most socially aware, and hardest working generation since the Great Depression.

 

[knot4u]

The "entitled millennial" stereotype being shouted vitriolically by the most entitled group of Gordon Gecko asshats since robber baron times is the "let them eat cake" of the modern world.

Screw the haters - millenials are the best educated, most socially aware, and hardest working generation since the Great Depression.

"Hardest working"? Aren't a large percentage of them still living at home because nobody's offered them a job that they feel their degree entitles them to? A college degree doesn't mean you get skip paying your dues in any industry. You, as a professional pilot, should already have a keen awareness of that fact.

 

[gotWXdagain]

"Hardest working"? Aren't a large percentage of them still living at home because nobody's offered them a job that they feel their degree entitles them to? A college degree doesn't mean you get skip paying your dues in any industry. You, as a professional pilot, should already have a keen awareness of that fact.

What is a "Large percentage" and what is your source?

 

[trafficinsight]

"Hardest working"? Aren't a large percentage of them still living at home because nobody's offered them a job that they feel their degree entitles them to? A college degree doesn't mean you get skip paying your dues in any industry. You, as a professional pilot, should already have a keen awareness of that fact.

I theorize that most of the reason that the younger generation is obsessed with "work/life balance" is because they probably won't ever have anything to show for their work.

But hey, at least they'll have the disgust and derision of the people who created the problem in the first place, I guess.

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[JetDoc]

The "entitled millennial" stereotype being shouted vitriolically by the most entitled group of Gordon Gecko asshats since robber baron times is the "let them eat cake" of the modern world.

Screw the haters - millenials are the best educated, most socially aware, and hardest working generation since the Great Depression.

ROFLMAO!!

 

[wheelsup]

"Hardest working"? Aren't a large percentage of them still living at home because nobody's offered them a job that they feel their degree entitles them to? A college degree doesn't mean you get skip paying your dues in any industry. You, as a professional pilot, should already have a keen awareness of that fact.

I would bet, at least from knowing those that have/do, that the reason people still live at home is because of a lack of a better paying job and the distorted housing markets in most areas.

When I was in high school 20 years ago I had a job at a grocery store paying $10/hr in 90's money. Same job today pays around $9 (I was curious and looked it up last year).

A lot of upward mobility has been removed due to the boomers taking two fairly large hits in 2001-2003 and 2008-2010. They aren't retiring as fast as previous generations simply because they can't, despite social security and about 50% having access to pensions, because a good percentage of them don't have a dime for retirement saved with the vast majority of their net worth tied to their primary residence.

We saw a mini version of this with age 60 -> 65.

Despite the press, student loans really aren't that big of a deal and aren't as large a burden as the media makes them out to be for most graduates. Some took on huge debts for not very useful degrees (how useful was an AeroSci degree In 2003 when I graduated or 2008-2011?) but they are by far the minority.

I read an interesting article several years ago about a chemical engineer who graduated in the 70's and instead went to work as a janitor sweeping the floors of a steel mill - because it paid significantly more than using his engineering degree! Those types of middle income jobs just aren't there for graduates these days who either get lucky and land a good job in their field or must become part of the 'lost' society, never able to gain a foothold and constantly moving from low paying job to low paying job.

This is probably the best environment for pilots since maybe the 60's with a huge amount of upward movement and profits industry wide. However it won't last long as the single thing we can thank for our wages is cabotage which could go away at the drop of a hat. Also the ULCC market will continue cutting into legacy business at they build their hub and spoke networks just like is happening in Europe. Even so, ULCC jobs pay well compared to the rest of the population even if it comes to that.

 

[Hiboglossi]

"Hardest working"? Aren't a large percentage of them still living at home because nobody's offered them a job that they feel their degree entitles them to? A college degree doesn't mean you get skip paying your dues in any industry. You, as a professional pilot, should already have a keen awareness of that fact.

If they haven't been offered a job I suspect that has more to do with not enough decent-paying jobs available rather than laziness. I doubt many people would willingly be unemployed if they had the opportunity for remunerative employment.

Any evidence that Millennials as a whole, rather than some cherry-picked individuals, expect to skip paying their dues because they have a college degree?

I would bet, at least from knowing those that have/do, that the reason people still live at home is because of a lack of a better paying job and the distorted housing markets in most areas.

When I was in high school 20 years ago I had a job at a grocery store paying $10/hr in 90's money. Same job today pays around $9 (I was curious and looked it up last year).

A lot of upward mobility has been removed due to the boomers taking two fairly large hits in 2001-2003 and 2008-2010. They aren't retiring as fast as previous generations simply because they can't, despite social security and about 50% having access to pensions, because a good percentage of them don't have a dime for retirement saved with the vast majority of their net worth tied to their primary residence.

We saw a mini version of this with age 60 -> 65.

Quoted for truth.

Also, I always find it ironic when older generations accuse my generation of sloth and a sense of entitlement when our wealth is redistributed to them through the socialist institutions of Social Security and Medicare, both of which are expected to be gone by the time we reach old age.

 

[knot4u]

If they haven't been offered a job I suspect that has more to do with not enough decent-paying jobs available rather than laziness. I doubt many people would willingly be unemployed if they had the opportunity for remunerative employment.

Any evidence that Millennials as a whole, rather than some cherry-picked individuals, expect to skip paying their dues because they have a college degree?



Quoted for truth.

Also, I always find it ironic when older generations accuse my generation of sloth and a sense of entitlement when our wealth is redistributed to them through the socialist institutions of Social Security and Medicare, both of which are expected to be gone by the time we reach old age.

The jobs are out there, it might take some effort to get them. I've heard young people don't like internships because the pay is beneath them, in the past interns worked for free voluntarily as a means to get their foot in the door. Apparently those days are behind us.