Of course the news stories and opinion pieces won't do actual homework and research these facts before writing their pieces. That would be asking too much.
And it's not even summer yet (Passenger vs Pilot)
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Of course the news stories and opinion pieces won't do actual homework and research these facts before writing their pieces. That would be asking too much.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Maybe at your shop, but not at mine.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
People are mindless sheep and will believe whatever the media tell them to. Remember that FO that took that guy down on the airplane for messing with a flight attendant? Remember him being hailed as a hero? What was that, like 3 months ago??
Yes.
Stryker172
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Youre right and I totally agree. That being said though Ive read far too many stories about employees being robbed or attacked and then being fired when they defend themselves. Id love to be able to fight back but will the company support my decision to defend myself? I dont know. Its a nasty choice but Id rather get punched in the face a few times than have a termination on my record.
It's easier to be nice than it is to be mean.
And a few punches in your face....even a single one done correctly and hitting the right place....,could be termination of your life, if not your job due to medical/injuries. Is that worth it to you? Some food for thought.
Any company who would fire me for legitimately defending myself from potential debilitating injures or death, all because I'm in one of their beloved overly-self-important uniforms, isn't a company I'd waste my time working for.
Very true. And it costs nothing to do, by anyone. Some people just desire to be a-holes for some reason or reasons.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I guess that's what an extra row of buttons on your blazer gets you.
NovemberEcho
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Stryker172
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I served in Iraq for 2 years as an infantry grunt, I understand violence.
I was an infantry grunt in Iraq for 2 years. I understand violence and I know what its like to get hit. Im glad you trust your company to have your back should such a need arise but I dont trust anyone that gets paid more than I do to look out for me.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Really? You guys are all excited because your pilot groups have apparently given up Captain's Authority to rampers and agents and find solace in attempted burns of the one group that apparently hasn't aquiesed. We truly are our own worst enemy.
(For the record, that is an awesome meme! Saved for later use.)
Agreed. Then as an 11B, I'd expect you know how much you need to look out for yourself physically in a situation like that that's beyond your control or any ability to defuse or reason with. You of all people should realize the gravity of "just taking a few hits to the face" and what that could potentially end up as for you, up to and including death. And you should realize the importance of meeting violence that cannot be reasonably avoided, with violence to stop it, for YOUR own safety and health.
What amazes me is how some guys will raise holy hell over crap that management tries to pull against employees regards work, or QOL or pay or whatever. Third-rate chit that guys will go ballistic in anger over.
Yet when it comes to management essentially creating a culture that mandates that you stand there and take a physical beating from someone and do nothing about it, all because of some stupid overly important uniform you may be wearing and/or some idiotic corporate perception, that's A-ok with many here. That management has apparently zero....less than zero...concern for your physical health and safety in a situation like this to where they apparently wouldn't back you up at all, and you guys are "oh well, I'll just take a beating for the company then; I'll risk being permanently damaged or even killed, because that's what the company requires, and I don't want to lose my place in this crap company that doesn't support me anyway as an employee..". No matter where you are, you have an inherent right to self defense. That doesn't mean looking for a fight, as you well know, it means taking reasonable physical measures to defend yourself and preserve your health from an attack on you that you didn't ask for and can't avoid. No one can tell you you need to allow yourself to get beat up because it's "good for the company". That's sheer idiocy of the highest order.
The irony is mind boggling. If anything is something to stand up for regarding demanding management support of employees, these situations are up there in priority, I would think. Your life is at stake when it comes to crazy pax like this who are determined to do damage to your person (and by extension, your life and your lifestyle/work) and have long passed the point of reasonableness.
Stryker172
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The lecture is unnecessary. Again I agree with you. I would LOVE to be able to trust my management. I would LOVE to know my boss will stick up for me in such a situation. Unfortunately thats not the world you or I live in. Ive invested too much time money blood sweat tears to even THINK about doing anything that could jeopardize my years of hard work.
Again I understand violence and I know what its like to get hit. I know what I can take. Im not letting some out of control passenger bloody my face because thats how much I love the company, Im doing it because thats what I will take to protect MY career from my company.
That passenger will get his in the end.
Again I understand violence and I know what its like to get hit. I know what I can take. Im not letting some out of control passenger bloody my face because thats how much I love the company, Im doing it because thats what I will take to protect MY career from my company.
That passenger will get his in the end.
I do have to admit that his response was rather, well, odd.
If a passenger has to go, a passenger has to go and I'm happy and respectful that we can take care of it quickly.
Some gate agents will board a drunk and belligerent passenger is a HEARTBEAT in order to get them out of their hair. I really don't think I should be negotiating with that same gate agent whether or not the passenger is in a condition to fly on my jet.
I'm with you, in that I don't trust management any further than I could throw them either. At the same time though and in that vein, I'm not going to take a beating for them neither. If I defend myself, the chips will fall where they may...and hopefully on the right side of the issue assuming I used only necessary levels of force to stop the threat and that's all; but at least either way I'll still have my health. No crew member or employee for that matter, should be forced to have to worry about that, to where they won't defend themselves or second guess defending themselves, and end up injured or killed because of that. Thats so many shades of wrong for any management or corporation to do. And a company that demands that, is one people shouldn't bother working for. Companies like that make Mesa look like Delta.
Gate agents do that, rather than just stop them at the gate? The ole pass the buck tactic......
FlyingAccountant
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The CA?
He looked like was enjoying the show.
But yeah, I'd expect him to be a little more assertive in a situation like that, as in, maybe getting in between Capt. Save-a-Hoe and the F/A before he did. Or at the very least, yanking the F/A off the plane before he had the opportunity to self-immolate his career. I'm still astounded that passenger managed to stay on the flight.