And it's not even summer yet (Passenger vs Pilot)

How in the hell do you even take up too much room in the aisle? Wait your turn.

That's quickly becoming one of my biggest pet peeves. Impatient mouth breathers who are determined to get off the plane before everyone else, no matter how far back they are in the airplane. Extra asshatery points if they are swinging around their luggage or backpack, hitting people as they mindlessly barge through.
 
MikeD said:
...Do what is necessary to stop an immediate threat.
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Unfortunately, most of us are not trained to either (1.) Analyze instantaneously and then non-violently defuse an immediate threat, or (2.) apply the minimum of available force to resolve the immediate danger. Even our trained (some very well!) law enforcement personnel often use above-minimum force. I'm not sure I could calculate how much force above minimum would be guaranteed to be successful, and not have even responsible people (eg: bosses and lawyers) second guess me. After the fact.

My playground training usually ended up with me eating some dirt. My military training amounted to: "Shoot the enemy before s/he shoots you." Neither help much in these circumstances.

But Mike is right: we have an inalienable right to defend ourselves. We're discussing the 'Hows.'
 
BobDDuck said:
Maybe?

Everything I saw said this was a AA pilot though.
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Well, they don't usually differentiate if it's a regional or mainline unless of course something horrible happens. ;) It hasn't been confirmed who that pilot is, which is a miracle! Finally, a victim gets privacy. Hope it stays that way.
 
Honest shower thought....


Are there more crazies today than 30 years ago, or does our access to social media just mean we get to see the crazies more often.
 
Lawman said:
Honest shower thought....


Are there more crazies today than 30 years ago, or does our access to social media just mean we get to see the crazies more often.
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I think it's three factors.

First, out mental health system is a disaster and many people who could be ok with minor levels of treatment (or had parents who would be ok with minor levels of treatment) don't get it.

Seconds, thanks the profusion of "reality" TV (which really is just "things on TV" now, acting out in public is considered acceptable by both the people who do it, and society as a whole who don't, quickly, shame the idiot acting out into compliance with the rest of society.

And third, thanks to phone cameras, we now see everything that happens. Anywhere.
 
BobDDuck said:
I think it's three factors.

First, out mental health system is a disaster and many people who could be ok with minor levels of treatment (or had parents who would be ok with minor levels of treatment) don't get it.

Seconds, thanks the profusion of "reality" TV (which really is just "things on TV" now, acting out in public is considered acceptable by both the people who do it, and society as a whole who don't, quickly, shame the idiot acting out into compliance with the rest of society.

And third, thanks to phone cameras, we now see everything that happens. Anywhere.
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Agreed. And it's seemingly only getting worse on all three counts you cite here.
 
BobDDuck said:
I think it's three factors.

First, out mental health system is a disaster and many people who could be ok with minor levels of treatment (or had parents who would be ok with minor levels of treatment) don't get it.

Seconds, thanks the profusion of "reality" TV (which really is just "things on TV" now, acting out in public is considered acceptable by both the people who do it, and society as a whole who don't, quickly, shame the idiot acting out into compliance with the rest of society.

And third, thanks to phone cameras, we now see everything that happens. Anywhere.
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Post of the week.
 
If someone decided to take a swing at me, stop the assault, evade/de-escalate, seek help up to and including dialing 911.

People are tense as hell. Unfortunately, I'd had the experience in the last few days of certain passengers wanting to become heavily melodramatic at a pin drop.

One person was angry because they were an hour late and was going to miss their 45 minute connection in a hub city, but then it turns out that they had their watch set incorrectly because they were in a different time zone.

Something uttered about being a seasoned traveler and how dare they're spoken to like they're an idiot and another passenger said, "Hey, it's (whatever)-PM, you have 50 minutes because the captain was early" and then it rolled into a situation that instead of recognizing their own mistake, suddenly the entire world was out to confuse and belittle.
 
Derg said:
If someone decided to take a swing at me, stop the assault, evade/de-escalate, seek help up to and including dialing 911.

People are tense as hell. Unfortunately, I'd had the experience in the last few days of certain passengers wanting to become heavily melodramatic at a pin drop.

One person was angry because they were an hour late and was going to miss their 45 minute connection in a hub city, but then it turns out that they had their watch set incorrectly because they were in a different time zone.

Something uttered about being a seasoned traveler and how dare they're spoken to like they're an idiot and another passenger said, "Hey, it's (whatever)-PM, you have 50 minutes because the captain was early" and then it rolled into a situation that instead of recognizing their own mistake, suddenly the entire world was out to confuse and belittle.
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KO LADEE KAH

Also, "We are 35 minutes early to the Twin Cities. Please remember this the next time we are 35 minutes late."
 
I'm surprised by the number of guys that say they would just walk away. I'm with @MikeD on this one, this guy would've gotten his a** kicked in self defense, idc what the company has to say. He had an opportunity to walk away but continued to follow this guy into the doorway which means he was asking for it. Some folks seem to think just because we're in uniform or working that we won't or can't defend ourselves which is wrong.
 
MikeD is roughly the size of a bulldozer soooo.... nobody is likely to mess with him anyway.


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Richman said:
I'm going to use the "squid defense"...

I'll start carrying a fountain pen, and when threatened, I'll eject an inky cloud and swim away.
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Take a BIC pen (Cross thin-line if you're in first class) and jam it through the offender's ear and into his/her brain. TSA doesn't consider your pen as a weapon, acceptable in any cabin.
 
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