SWA FO arrested for trying to board with a handgun
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mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
Without reading the article....
*Texas.
*Texas.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
What about the one with the harmonica and fedora?
FlyingAccountant
Well-Known Member
I’m under the impression they typically don’t arrest for trying to carry a gun through a security checkpoint, so I’m presuming he was breaking some other NY state gun law?
This happened to a close family member of mine as a pax. He borrowed a bag from his dad not realizing dad had left a firearm in one of the pockets. TSA caught it and briefly detained him. Not only did he still make his flight, but they allowed someone to come and pick up the gun. Admittedly, this took place in a state much more firearm friendly than NY, though.
But, uh, if you want to carry a gun, why not just sign up for FFDO?
This happened to a close family member of mine as a pax. He borrowed a bag from his dad not realizing dad had left a firearm in one of the pockets. TSA caught it and briefly detained him. Not only did he still make his flight, but they allowed someone to come and pick up the gun. Admittedly, this took place in a state much more firearm friendly than NY, though.
But, uh, if you want to carry a gun, why not just sign up for FFDO?
Finny
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't touch him. He probably has a "cousin vinny" who is a "consultant" for SWAPA...
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Actually - that guy doesn't work for SW, that guy is Bob Dylan.
BaronPete
Jaw Harp Troubadour
Many people interpret this to be all that happens. You still get a letter from DHS that assesses a civil penalty of some sort. Usually $1-3K in my experience. They take your attitude and whether or not it was "artfully concealed" into account. 10K is the max, I believe.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Both things are true.
I jumpseated with the SWA FO that did all the cockpit PAs like a blues song. Clever, but it was all too much Bruce Willis in the Return of Bruno rather than Joliet Jake and Elwood.
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
After what happened with Auburn Calloway, I'm not surprised.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
FFDOs at cargo carriers = beyond ridiculous. I understand the Auburn Calloway incident. But come on. Nothing more than a chance to show your **** outside, knowing full well you carry only boxes and the occasional 121 CASS-approved pilot jumpseaters.
The only legitimate threat is the threat-within. And for that case, full barrier cockpit doors are actually harmful.
The only legitimate threat is the threat-within. And for that case, full barrier cockpit doors are actually harmful.
I understand it had its perks prior to KCM.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
So you don't think there's a potential for stowaways or hijacking on airplanes coming off a cargo ramp?
I heartily disagree. Won't go much further on this topic, but there is nothing unique to passenger ops when a hijacker wants to use an airplane as a weapon.
And...hint, hint...an FFDO can help protect the flight deck against an insider threat just as much as a hijacker or stowaway.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Extremely unlikely. I get more thoroughly vetted traveling on Fedex than I do any passenger carrier. Show me in the history of Fedex/UPS asides from Calloway when a stowaway hijacking has happened?
Risk calculation.... where would you put that chance? I'd have to put it zero. What terrorist going to try to stowaway on a Fedex plane in hopes of trying to take you over? Never has happened. Far easier to just outright buy a used 727/737 on the market (ASO.com) and fly it as a weapon.
Inside threats, yes. Stowaway or hijacker argument on Fedex/UPS gets to be ridiculous. If we are to be reasonable and honest, your biggest threat in terms of humans is going to be the insider factor. And as history has shown, that's *precisely* what it was.
FFDOs on Fedex/UPS is a laughable concept.
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
Yes ... from other crew members.