Autothrust Blue

Autothrust Blue said:
Type ratings: CL-65 EMB-120 EMB-145 ERJ-170 ERJ-190 M-202 M-404 :cool:

LOE completed. Cooling my heels in MSP, with nothing on my schedule for the foreseeable future.

Taxiing the sim is weird. I'm sure taxiing the airplane is going to be even weirder.
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Congrats! Mine is in just under a week. A little birdie told me they're working on the 6/6 class right now. Was that the one you were in?
 
B767 said:
Congrats! Mine is in just under a week. A little birdie told me they're working on the 6/6 class right now. Was that the one you were in?
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6/14. Remember, long-haul, having not been a previous member of the Fraternal Order of the Packs And Probes.
 
bike21 said:
Don't call mx control on an early morning after engine start when you get an FDR FAIL status. It's more like a coffee fail status because the beacon isn't on. Uhhh....a 'friend' told me that tip ;)
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Why is "ignition" not on the two-hundy's engine start checklist, anyway?
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Why is "ignition" not on the two-hundy's engine start checklist, anyway?
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because they wanted to make the checklists as similar as possible between variant.

SLC training guys don't know wtf happens in real life.

Why are flaps on the before TO check if you never touch them for deicing anymore?

Oh yeah, because we had those issues, but then they changed the GDPM at the same time as the SOPM, and now even though we don't pull them up for deice, we still check again before TO.

No reason to do it twice, either check them on the before TO or check them on the taxicheck.
 
Cptnchia said:
If it really bothers you to check them twice, I'd stay away from Delta then. They get checked on the taxi check and Before takeoff check.
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I remember when I used to get worked up about stuff like that (yes, even tinpot 135 ops have stupid arbitrary procedures). Then I did something different for work and got some perspective.
 
That's not the point guys. it's just the reactionary demeanor they have in our training department and I'm sure many others. It's left hand not talking to right hand.

Here's how it happened:

"Ok so we are changing the deice program again, flaps will be up for deice"

Cue lots of aborted takeoffs due to fact that when you deice, you no longer use a regular checklist, you use the deice check (all the way through takeoff check). There was the flaps addition in the booklet, but not on a regular checklist. No problem you say, you're doing a deice check anyway why not use it all the way.

Well so for those here at skw crj, you use the deice check for pre, and post deice checks. but also for takeoff check if you deice. It's just too easy to put that booklet away after you start taxiing.

So lots of people put it away, and thus forgot the flaps, because the regular checklist didn't have a need for flaps.


Great, so to mitigate that, we'll just make the before takeoff check normal ops identical to the deice one. Ok great!

But at the exact same time, we will release a new deice program that tells us we now deice flaps down (again.)


So what do you have? Wake up one day, and there is absolutely no reason to touch the flaps after taxi check no matter the ice/deice situation, and now we have one more addition to a list to mitigate what threat has already been mitigated via new deice program changes.



That's why I was bringing it up. Not because I'm against safety. But because it's a little too late for the change.
 
Bravo on the rant. Alas, I'm sure the flaps checked twice will be here forever. Also, slight correction...the training department isn't involved in the SOPM. They have SOME input but it is largely flight standards that makes the rules for the training department to teach. There were many instructors not happy with some things in the new SOPM when it came out. Like @Autothrust Blue said, they removed the ignition on the 200 checklist. I already forget what it was but something was labeled "checked L/R" and there's absolutely no L/R to be checked. Should've been just "checked." Training department had nothing to do with that other than to submit feedback to flight standards.
 
B767 said:
Bravo on the rant. Alas, I'm sure the flaps checked twice will be here forever. Also, slight correction...the training department isn't involved in the SOPM. They have SOME input but it is largely flight standards that makes the rules for the training department to teach. There were many instructors not happy with some things in the new SOPM when it came out. Like @Autothrust Blue said, they removed the ignition on the 200 checklist. I already forget what it was but something was labeled "checked L/R" and there's absolutely no L/R to be checked. Should've been just "checked." Training department had nothing to do with that other than to submit feedback to flight standards.
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definitely remember that. it was nosewheel steering on the post deice check, and also lower pedestal on originating. both had a CHECKED L/R

it's so odd sometimes to see how intricate some things have to be done, yet others just fly right by with errors.

don't get me started on TRU stickers.......
 
Cptnchia said:
If it really bothers you to check them twice, I'd stay away from Delta then. They get checked on the taxi check and Before takeoff check.
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I am in favor of this. I'm even more in favor of "salute received, flaps (__)" with a readback before doing anything.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I am in favor of this. I'm even more in favor of "salute received, flaps (__)" with a readback before doing anything.
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I believe another regional did something similar and you like to bash them for it. Even though it was standard, everyone did it and knew when it was coming? ;)
 
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