Asking for the jumpseat and other lost traditions

PhilosopherPilot said:
Ooooohhh pedantic... BOOM! You gonna take that Zap?
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Nark said:
It's overrated...
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This is what I hear. So is being in an airplane with no APU on 100 degree ramp. Somedays it looks nice just to raise the gear and go. No more sitting and tinkering with the props to get them in sync. But it is a lot of fun too.
 
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ASpilot2be said:
This is what I hear. So is being in an airplane with no APU on 100 degree ramp. Somedays it looks nice just to raise the gear and go. No more sitting and tinkering with the props to get them in sync. But it is a lot of fun too.
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I long for the day, of getting up, not shaving and putting on carharts again.
However, nights like tonight in which I saw every Midwest towns 4th of July fireworks display, makes me hold off on my carharts dream.
 
Nark said:
I long for the day, of getting up, not shaving and putting on carharts again.
However, nights like tonight in which I saw every Midwest towns 4th of July fireworks display, makes me hold off on my carharts dream.
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I hear you. Somedays I really miss those days as well. Mostly on the nice days.But cruising the Oregon and California coast at 16000 is pretty awesome.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
How did it even get to this point?
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Because he's a micromanaging arse. I flew a 3 day trip with the guy a week or 3 before and couldn't wait to be done. "I want you to do this now, I want you to do that now." He emailed me twice about a van time and left a note under the door as well. The first night he called me about the van time. I think my favorite part of this guy is that he seems to think that the non-revs care to be included in his FA brief (which he gives over the PA). He has every right to, but I also think it's odd that he flips on the PA listen button to ensure the FAs give the seatbelt instructions when he flips the sign on.
 
Nark said:
I long for the day, of getting up, not shaving and putting on carharts again.
However, nights like tonight in which I saw every Midwest towns 4th of July fireworks display, makes me hold off on my carharts dream.
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And, I'm sure, you don't miss that payday, either.
 
jtrain609 said:
I think you're being a bit pedantic.

I commonly say, "Hi, I'm Captain McDoucheyPants from California Pacific, they've got a seat in the back if you don't mind" and I've NEVER had a captain give me trouble or question my etiquette. In fact, I have other jumpseaters say the exact same thing to me when asking for a ride and frankly, I appreciate that they keep it colloquial and brief. We all know that we're doing; asking for a ride. To walk up to the flight deck and expect someone to do the exact specific Captain Honoring Ceremony that we'd expect them to know, as if it's a secret handshake, devalues our profession.

Not checking in is unacceptable, but commanding verbiage that others wouldn't know is no different than captains who make up techniques and expect unwitting FO's to know them without being briefed on them. If someone makes the effort, then they're welcome on my aircraft anytime.
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I think the biggest takeaway is what's been taken away from the CAs authority. My biggest beef with southern jets system is that they remove the requirement to check in by auto-transferring to the non-rev list. If you were up in your front office and a pilot in business casual stepped on with a seat assignment and seat request card, you would never know they initiated it as a jumpseat request. There is no requirement for the agent to tell you there is a jumpseater if they aren't physically occupying a jumpseat.

When I flew home from MCO, they ended up having to re-list me specifically as a jump because originally a SJI guy had it, so the system bypassed the checks. The gate agent even wondered if I had a reciprocal agreement.
 
SpiceWeasel said:
Because he's a micromanaging arse. I flew a 3 day trip with the guy a week or 3 before and couldn't wait to be done. "I want you to do this now, I want you to do that now." He emailed me twice about a van time and left a note under the door as well. The first night he called me about the van time. I think my favorite part of this guy is that he seems to think that the non-revs care to be included in his FA brief (which he gives over the PA). He has every right to, but I also think it's odd that he flips on the PA listen button to ensure the FAs give the seatbelt instructions when he flips the sign on.
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Giggle!
 
SpiceWeasel said:
I think the biggest takeaway is what's been taken away from the CAs authority. My biggest beef with southern jets system is that they remove the requirement to check in by auto-transferring to the non-rev list. If you were up in your front office and a pilot in business casual stepped on with a seat assignment and seat request card, you would never know they initiated it as a jumpseat request. There is no requirement for the agent to tell you there is a jumpseater if they aren't physically occupying a jumpseat.

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i guess my question is in that scenario, if said person is not sitting in the physical jumpseat why do you care?
 
SpiceWeasel said:
I think the biggest takeaway is what's been taken away from the CAs authority. My biggest beef with southern jets system is that they remove the requirement to check in by auto-transferring to the non-rev list. If you were up in your front office and a pilot in business casual stepped on with a seat assignment and seat request card, you would never know they initiated it as a jumpseat request. There is no requirement for the agent to tell you there is a jumpseater if they aren't physically occupying a jumpseat.

When I flew home from MCO, they ended up having to re-list me specifically as a jump because originally a SJI guy had it, so the system bypassed the checks. The gate agent even wondered if I had a reciprocal agreement.
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ian said:
i guess my question is in that scenario, if said person is not sitting in the physical jumpseat why do you care?
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Exactly. Why should I care how or why you're on the plane? If you aren't in the actual Jumpseat, I really don't need to know how you initiated it. It's not like I need to know who the pilots are onboard. Got a seat in the back, welcome aboard, sit down and enjoy the ride.
 
ian said:
i guess my question is in that scenario, if said person is not sitting in the physical jumpseat why do you care?
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Cptnchia said:
Exactly. Why should I care how or why you're on the plane? If you aren't in the actual Jumpseat, I really don't need to know how you initiated it. It's not like I need to know who the pilots are onboard. Got a seat in the back, welcome aboard, sit down and enjoy the ride.
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I'm more than happy to work with the system as advertised. I just find it odd that there are folks out there (OP?) that want tradition to be above procedure.
 
SpiceWeasel said:
I'm more than happy to work with the system as advertised. I just find it odd that there are folks out there (OP?) that want tradition to be above procedure.
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Is it tradition or their attempt to hold onto a nebulous concept of "captain's authority," where ever and how ever they can?
 
SpiceWeasel said:
Because he's a micromanaging arse. I flew a 3 day trip with the guy a week or 3 before and couldn't wait to be done. "I want you to do this now, I want you to do that now." He emailed me twice about a van time and left a note under the door as well. The first night he called me about the van time. I think my favorite part of this guy is that he seems to think that the non-revs care to be included in his FA brief (which he gives over the PA). He has every right to, but I also think it's odd that he flips on the PA listen button to ensure the FAs give the seatbelt instructions when he flips the sign on.
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Hmmm... Did you go check in with him? Otherwise how did he know.
 
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