Asking for the jumpseat and other lost traditions

Screaming_Emu said:
FIFY
Click to expand...

d200fcc7d49d6feca396761ed73d6792.jpg


With tassels!
 
SpiceWeasel said:
Please, enlighten us as to how introducing yourself when deadheading or non-revving is useful.

I would prefer only those who seek the jumpseat (controlled by the Captain), visit and ask. Deadheading, you're being paid to sit in the seat. That's a contract between you and the company. Just go sit down. Non-rev? That's a company issued benefit - you don't need a certificate or medical to do it, just go sit down.
Click to expand...

Spice, I agree with you.

But I just recently had a CA who said we have 3 DHers and asked me if they checked in with me, and I said no. Then he goes they didn't check in with him either. And that he's going to get the agent to get them to come up now and check with him (this is ~12 prior to push so they are already seated). I said in a nice way that there is no requirement for a DHer to technically check in with the CA. He said it was a professional courtesy. I said okay, but now you want to get them up here for a forced check in? Long story short, he did it. Got the gate agent to get these 3 to come up (they were a FA set of crew DHing) and told them it was a "good idea" to always check in with the CA.

Just one additional thing I get to add to my "don't do this when you upgrade" list.
 
I appreciate it when another crew member stops up and says hello. There's nothing you're doing that you can't take a minute to know who's in the back of your plane. Give me a break with the "don't bother me, I'm busy" nonsense. DHD, NonRev, JS...it is professional courtesy to say hello. No one is suggesting these people stop up and talk for the next 15 minutes, without being asked to do so...then you are bothering me. But to say "Hi, I'm deadheading; wanted to say hello" is perfectly acceptable. Some of you think far too much of yourselves and your self importance.
 
Cruise said:
I appreciate it when another crew member stops up and says hello. There's nothing you're doing that you can't take a minute to know who's in the back of your plane. Give me a break with the "don't bother me, I'm busy" nonsense. DHD, NonRev, JS...it is professional courtesy to say hello. No one is suggesting these people stop up and talk for the next 15 minutes, without being asked to do so...then you are bothering me. But to say "Hi, I'm deadheading; wanted to say hello" is perfectly acceptable. Some of you think far too much of yourselves and your self importance.
Click to expand...

We have lots of ASAP data to show that preflight interruptions are a significant contributor to pilot deviations. From my point of view, the guys who expect everyone to pay homage to El Capitan are the ones who are self-important.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
We have lots of ASAP data to show that preflight interruptions are a significant contributor to pilot deviations. From my point of view, the guys who expect everyone to pay homage to El Capitan are the ones who are self-important.
Click to expand...

Every time someone stops to say hello I assume they're a jumpseater with a seat in the back and I start going through the "enjoy the ride can I see your badge really quick" shtick, only to realize they're on a pass or a DH.

If I know the crew I'll step up front to insult them, but that's about it.
 
jtrain609 said:
Every time someone stops to say hello I assume they're a jumpseater with a seat in the back and I start going through the "enjoy the ride can I see your badge really quick" shtick, only to realize they're on a pass or a DH.

If I know the crew I'll step up front to insult them, but that's about it.
Click to expand...

Bring it.
 
SpiceWeasel said:
Please, enlighten us as to how introducing yourself when deadheading or non-revving is useful.

I would prefer only those who seek the jumpseat (controlled by the Captain), visit and ask. Deadheading, you're being paid to sit in the seat. That's a contract between you and the company. Just go sit down. Non-rev? That's a company issued benefit - you don't need a certificate or medical to do it, just go sit down.
Click to expand...

Well the answer is pretty simple in that it's professional courtesy and sometimes that information (FFDO carrying in the back, etc...) could be helpful to the working crew CRM wise. Maybe you're assuming that it's expected all the time or something but I only poke my head in if there's time, I'm not in the FA's or boarding pax's way and the crew isn't busy doing something. I know myself and plenty of other Captain's and FO's who appreciate a simple quick "hey I'm so and so and just riding a long in the back. Let me know if you need anything" for their own SA incase they actually do need something. No one is advocating for the need to always have an introduction but it shouldn't offend people if there's time for one.

Cruise said:
I appreciate it when another crew member stops up and says hello. There's nothing you're doing that you can't take a minute to know who's in the back of your plane. Give me a break with the "don't bother me, I'm busy" nonsense. DHD, NonRev, JS...it is professional courtesy to say hello. No one is suggesting these people stop up and talk for the next 15 minutes, without being asked to do so...then you are bothering me. But to say "Hi, I'm deadheading; wanted to say hello" is perfectly acceptable. Some of you think far too much of yourselves and your self importance.
Click to expand...

Spot on.

PhilosopherPilot said:
We have lots of ASAP data to show that preflight interruptions are a significant contributor to pilot deviations. From my point of view, the guys who expect everyone to pay homage to El Capitan are the ones who are self-important.
Click to expand...

Never said anything about paying homage to El Capitan, just saying its a nice courtesy when there's time to give a quick "hello." As far as ASAP data goes, a fellow pilot poking their head in for a quick hello when you're done setting up the flight deck, briefed and waiting for your coffee while the pax finish boarding is probably less distracting then the guy who's constantly on his phone next to you swiping right on tinder...


Anyways this cracks me up in that people are so offended when someone pops their head in for a quick hello when there's time yet here we are posting in a thread about people who don't understand the concept of asking for a ride while jumpseating and other lost traditions. I guess that's why so many pilots have shifty eyes to avoid a friendly nod when you walk by them in terminal...
 
doubleo6point9 said:
Well the answer is pretty simple in that it's professional courtesy and sometimes that information (FFDO carrying in the back, etc...) could be helpful to the working crew CRM wise. Maybe you're assuming that it's expected all the time or something but I only poke my head in if there's time, I'm not in the FA's or boarding pax's way and the crew isn't busy doing something. I know myself and plenty of other Captain's and FO's who appreciate a simple quick "hey I'm so and so and just riding a long in the back. Let me know if you need anything" for their own SA incase they actually do need something. No one is advocating for the need to always have an introduction but it shouldn't offend people if there's time for one.



Spot on.



Never said anything about paying homage to El Capitan, just saying its a nice courtesy when there's time to give a quick "hello." As far as ASAP data goes, a fellow pilot poking their head in for a quick hello when you're done setting up the flight deck, briefed and waiting for your coffee while the pax finish boarding is probably less distracting then the guy who's constantly on his phone next to you swiping right on tinder...


Anyways this cracks me up in that people are so offended when someone pops their head in for a quick hello when there's time yet here we are posting in a thread about people who don't understand the concept of asking for a ride while jumpseating and other lost traditions. I guess that's why so many pilots have shifty eyes to avoid a friendly nod when you walk by them in terminal...
Click to expand...

If I'm not busy I have no objections to a quick hello. I even welcome it. But it isn't required or expected unless you're jumpseating. I do take offense to the guys that expect a check-in for DH or non revs. If I'm walking by and you look busy, I'm going to my seat, and I'm not swimming upstream later just to say hi.

When I do my brief to the FAs I say, "No one needs to come up here except off line jumpseaters, but don't prevent someone from coming up if they want to."
 
This has to take the cake for the top 5 list of the most inane, trivial, overly nitpicky, minuscule topics to be argued on JC, outside the Lav. Bordering on APC-worthy.

This isn't directed at any posters here, just at the general topic and the wide array of responses/ methodology to this.

"Say hello!,

"don't you dare bother me by saying hello!", (plane crash causal factor, someone said hello and completely destroyed CRM)

"they don't need to visit the cockpit.",

"get those guys back up here to say hello to me, I'm owed that professional courtesy (even if not required)".

:D
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top