Applying to the "career destination" airlines

[Deleted member 27505]

The way hours are inputed by make and model. I have 30 different aircraft in my logbook, it would be nice to list type rated aircraft, but other than that let me total hours from my logbook and type them in.

I found myself in the same pickle but to a even worse degree. I just listed the planes in which I had more than 50 hours in type. I don't know if that hurts one's chances or not, but if it does, I probably don't want to work there anyway. The world has gone mad with crappy accounting. Kinda like the folks that know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

[scooter2525]

Gotta get the daughter on "Dinosaur Train" my friend. Love that theme song.

You know where I stand with that song.

 

[Avgirl]

Just FYI, Delta just posted this on their recruiting page for anyone attending OBAP in Chicago. https://www.facebook.com/deltapilotrecruiting/posts/1004939682953021

 

[USMCmech]

I'm frustrated that the ball is being hidden, and seemingly moved on a regular basis.
......
I've been told, in no specific order, over the last few years:

• You don't have any PIC time? Get some PIC time, you need PIC time.
• PIC time doesn't matter, "loyalty" to your regional airline matters.
• Do something constructive during furlough, get an advanced degree.
• Advanced degrees don't matter, and are of no help. Quite literally, I've been asked what my undergraduate GPA was, and told my law school GPA is meaningless. Do you know how hard it is to not answer that with, "My GPA from undergraduate was high enough to get me accepted into, and graduate from, law school."
• Do volunteer work! It'll help with the resume.
• Given long stares when explaining ALPA volunteer work.
• Go to a career fair! Get face time!
• Gets no face time after waiting in line for 8 hours to talk with an airline at a career fair.
• Hours don't matter, the total applicant matters.
• Go to career fair and get told to get some more flight time.
• Get told to become a chief pilot, check airman and DO.

Obviously, all these points are contradictory, and that's why I'm saying this; there's no clear answer of what a candidate looks like who will get a call.

The other problem is the perception that you MUST know someone on the inside of the company you want to work for. "I want to fly for airline XYZ, and I have a lot of experience that will transfer into their operation, but I don't know anyone who flys for XYZ, so I don't have a chance."

Internal recommendations are obviously going to be a benefit, but the perception is that it is impossible to be considered without knowing several people who already work there..

 

[poser765]

Internal recommendations are obviously going to be a benefit, but the perception is that it is impossible to be considered without knowing several people who already work there..

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but they way I feeling is that everyone has a metric dozen of internal recs. I need to compete with that, seeing as how I am NOT a super stand out applicant. Sure, one can get on if they have an awesome resume, but internal recs are one more thing I can do in order to makeup for deficiencies in other areas.

 

[Inverted]

Problem is, it is all a point system, so it is a very dynamic scale on which somebody would be considered for a job there. This is why you hear about 10,000 hour RJ captains who can't get a call, yet there are guys with 4,500 hours, no TPIC, that have 10 internal recs and hit 2 job fairs. Having SOME rhyme and reason to this process would be so helpful for us, and the industry.

 

[phill1174]

This thread stresses me out and I don't have a current app in anywhere.

I agree, i'm coming up on my first year at 9E and pushing myself to finish my bachelors, and I haven't even begun to volunteer or anything yet. But there is a lot of good information in this thread. @Derg we got the Delta Guaranteed Interview program here but how heavy is GPA scored? Rather than taking a break from BA courses during training and OE I thought I could handle it and dropped the ball (completely stupid on my part). Also are you an OBAP member? I had a couple of questions if you have the time.

 

[ozziecat35]

We've actually been watching a lot of My Little Pony lately. They even managed to get @Hacker15e a cameo.

I can dig on MLP. Daniel Tiger isn't NEARLY as bad as Cailou. Luckily the boy is always watching something transformer or truck related to even it all out.

 

[derg]

Problem is, it is all a point system, so it is a very dynamic scale on which somebody would be considered for a job there. This is why you hear about 10,000 hour RJ captains who can't get a call, yet there are guys with 4,500 hours, no TPIC, that have 10 internal recs and hit 2 job fairs. Having SOME rhyme and reason to this process would be so helpful for us, and the industry.

Let go of the numbers.

A 12000 hour CRJ captain should have some LCA, chief pilot or some other leadership on his resume. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[derg]

I agree, i'm coming up on my first year at 9E and pushing myself to finish my bachelors, and I haven't even begun to volunteer or anything yet. But there is a lot of good information in this thread. @Derg we got the Delta Guaranteed Interview program here but how heavy is GPA scored? Rather than taking a break from BA courses during training and OE I thought I could handle it and dropped the ball (completely stupid on my part). Also are you an OBAP member? I had a couple of questions if you have the time.

It's all human and no particular "score". It's the whole candidate.

 

[Mark815]

I agree, i'm coming up on my first year at 9E and pushing myself to finish my bachelors, and I haven't even begun to volunteer or anything yet. But there is a lot of good information in this thread. @Derg we got the Delta Guaranteed Interview program here but how heavy is GPA scored? Rather than taking a break from BA courses during training and OE I thought I could handle it and dropped the ball (completely stupid on my part). Also are you an OBAP member? I had a couple of questions if you have the time.

FINISH THE DEGREE.

Seriously. I finished my BA online a few years back and it's a great feeling having it done. It might suck at times being at a cool overnight and not being able to go out because of homework, but it's worth it.

 

[phill1174]

It's all human and no particular "score". It's the whole candidate.

Thanks, that's a relief.

 

[phill1174]

FINISH THE DEGREE.

Seriously. I finished my BA online a few years back and it's a great feeling having it done. It might suck at times being at a cool overnight and not being able to go out because of homework, but it's worth it.

Oh definitely, I never stopped. My thought is to get it done now so I don't have to regret it later.

 

[ppragman]

Let go of the numbers.

A 12000 hour CRJ captain should have some LCA, chief pilot or some other leadership on his resume. Don't shoot the messenger.

Not necessarily though, you don't get to pick to do those things.

 

[jtrain609]

Let go of the numbers.

A 12000 hour CRJ captain should have some LCA, chief pilot or some other leadership on his resume. Don't shoot the messenger.

I was told that every single captain at my airline applied to be a LCA in the last application round, whether they met the requirements or not.

So that's like 350-400 captains applying for 12 slots within one airline.

Not everyone will become an LCA.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

I was told that every single captain at my airline applied to be a LCA in the last application round, whether they met the requirements or not.

So that's like 350-400 captains applying for 12 slots within one airline.

Not everyone will become an LCA.

Get Borat to campaign for you.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I was told that every single captain at my airline applied to be a LCA in the last application round, whether they met the requirements or not.

So that's like 350-400 captains applying for 12 slots within one airline.

Not everyone will become an LCA.

Ugh.

"Qualified" is a very loose term, as well.

 

[Nark]

I think the point is, be a rounded candidate.

If you are a 12,000 RJ pilot, what else?

My 1155 hours of RJ time didn't land me a job at an LCC. Other stuff of my resume did.

That is the point.

 

[derg]

I think the point is, be a rounded candidate.

If you are a 12,000 RJ pilot, what else?

My 1155 hours of RJ time didn't land me a job at an LCC. Other stuff of my resume did.

That is the point.

This.

Most people are much more exceptional than they think they are, but the internet and cruise conversation lead us to believe that it's all about that hour grid. It's not.

Does every straight A student get into Harvard? Nope.

"I went to high school. Scored a 4.0…"

 

[Tommay85]

With the electronic applications, what is the best way to list the other jobs you've had with one company?

Right now, I've got my current position and then in the duties description I have the other positions listed.

Would it be better to separate those out on their own in the job history section? Or would that look like I've jumped around to different companies every 6 months to someone that just glances at my application? It's my understanding that looking like you don't stay somewhere for very long can be detrimental, and I don't want appear that I've done so.