Networking and You
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I would just say be honest to your recommendor. And that recommendor, knowing that you don't want to stay and are looking only at the 3 legacies, then most likely is going to pass on offering you a recommendation. This isn't anything personal. It's just that politegrams have made it to the pilot ranks and we are drilled to keep in mind who we recommend and that our name is attached to them when hired. Sims here are every 6 months so if you bail at the 3rd sim that is 18 months in. It will come back to the recommendor.
That's why personally, I would only ask for a recommendation from a place I know I will hang my hat on. If it's just a temp gig I'm looking for, I'll just apply blindly and let the darts fall where they may.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
I get it. That is why I didn't take the recommendation. I don't like putting anyone in that position, nor do I want to be in the position to do that to a friend/colleague.
Nark
Macho Superpilot
For those who offer recommendations, are those you recommend always accepted and interviewed?
If they aren't, then isn't that a little ironic or superficial? By that, I mean if HR doesn't value your judgement and readily accepts your LOR, something else is the issue.
If they aren't, then isn't that a little ironic or superficial? By that, I mean if HR doesn't value your judgement and readily accepts your LOR, something else is the issue.
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All about knowing your market.
FUBU
Country Thunder
Yes, it means you're listening and hopefully get the sardonic humor.
Oh no, my friend, I'm not the one to ask for a letter of recommendation then. You are part of "The Guild" for an eternity, just like the guy who recommended me told me. We have a crap ton of pilots and it's a very small circle. We all know the same ten names. All of us.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Pilots are idiots. We couldn't make things easier for management if we were trying.
Idk, most everyone in the training dept and in the classes high fived anyone that got a Delta/United/Fedex call while in the sims. Awesome! Good for you and go! We need a mass exodus even more so than is happening in order to get our point across anyways.
Cal Goat
Prestige Worldwide™
Or they could take a handful of their own pilots off of the line and put them up in a hotel at a job fair to screen literally thousands of applicants who will pay to be seen there.
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mmmmmm wine
I'm with you trust me. I would high five them too, but it's still a dick move. You gotta do what you gotta do, and I get that.
z987k
Well-Known Member
It's a business transaction. Nothing more. Your time for their money. They will drop you on the street without losing a second of sleep if they need to. To not give them the same treatment is beyond stupid.
Loyalty to a company that goes not give two craps about you. Pilots, lol.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
They could, but how much do you really learn about someone in 5 minutes? Getting a thousand people to apply for a job isn't hard. Finding out who are the 25 you want to hire is far more difficult.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Well when you get to some higher tier jobs that aren't created around revolving doors, I totally agree. Again this comes back to the culture of the company. If you don't sign an agreement or contract, you have no obligation to the company to stay, but there are these odd unwritten rules tied to internal recommendations.
I think we can all agree that an LOR from the top 3 is great, and few if any would leave a job like that for another job. But as you start going down the job pyramid, the jobs that are less and less career destination jobs, you cant be too mad at people leaving.
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
It's always easy to see who has had a career outside aviation in threads like this...
Being upset that someone left a job you recommended them for? Unless they went out in a blaze of glory, who cares? You have to look out for yourself when it comes to career decisions (which of course includes supporting your union if you have one - scabs suck).
Being upset that someone left a job you recommended them for? Unless they went out in a blaze of glory, who cares? You have to look out for yourself when it comes to career decisions (which of course includes supporting your union if you have one - scabs suck).
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
I was recently not offered a job at a major airline interview.
Although I felt defeated/humiliated for performing poorly in the interview (100% my fault, obviously), I felt mostly that I'd substantially let down the numerous people who'd put their reputations out there by writing recommendations for me and helping me get to that interview room in the first place. That includes some folks right here on JetCareers.
The personal relationships that are part of networking are just as, if not more, important than the career advancement that they can help with. Don't pee in the pool.
Although I felt defeated/humiliated for performing poorly in the interview (100% my fault, obviously), I felt mostly that I'd substantially let down the numerous people who'd put their reputations out there by writing recommendations for me and helping me get to that interview room in the first place. That includes some folks right here on JetCareers.
The personal relationships that are part of networking are just as, if not more, important than the career advancement that they can help with. Don't pee in the pool.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
So, after all the posts in this thread only one person is close.
@Nark asking about recommendations. Yes, I could, and have, hand resumes and generate a phone call. Actually, happened in this case.
@Inverted While I appreciate you throwing shade at my place of employment (that was sarcasm - we can't all be awesome), I never get upset when someone I recommended leaves. No matter how much I talk to someone about the job, this one is difficult to understand until you actually do it. And of course, in this hiring environment, it's all about MMMTO.
At the end of the day, like A Life Aloft (sorry, can't figure out how to tag your name) mentioned, don't be a phallus. Definitely realize that you not only represent yourself, but the person that helped you. That person did it because they felt like you'd be a good addition to the company and fun to fly with.
Also realize that if someone gives you credit because you were vouched for through a friend, their reputation is on the line as well.
@Nark asking about recommendations. Yes, I could, and have, hand resumes and generate a phone call. Actually, happened in this case.
@Inverted While I appreciate you throwing shade at my place of employment (that was sarcasm - we can't all be awesome), I never get upset when someone I recommended leaves. No matter how much I talk to someone about the job, this one is difficult to understand until you actually do it. And of course, in this hiring environment, it's all about MMMTO.
At the end of the day, like A Life Aloft (sorry, can't figure out how to tag your name) mentioned, don't be a phallus. Definitely realize that you not only represent yourself, but the person that helped you. That person did it because they felt like you'd be a good addition to the company and fun to fly with.
Also realize that if someone gives you credit because you were vouched for through a friend, their reputation is on the line as well.
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Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
How is this 4 pages? "Don't be a male genital" is a universal...as old as hunting in packs or any other human activity which requires cooperation and trust. This stuff is actively explained in kindergarten and every moment thereafter (albeit not by the ADULT teacher). "Do what you say you're going to do". If you have any questions about whether or not someone will do what you think they're saying they're going to do, there is no question. Don't carry their water.
Ultimately, being dishonorable is its own punishment, anyway. *shrug*
Ultimately, being dishonorable is its own punishment, anyway. *shrug*
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Not throwing shade or trying to talk smack. I don't work for a first tier company. I don't feel like there is anything wrong looking at it from a realistic standpoint.