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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Non-subsidized eh? Pretty sure your CEO had to step down because of under-the-table dealings with the PAPD of Newark to gain favoritism advantages over other airlines. Talk about corruption, and walking away with 20+ million dollars too.

All I hear from you is the ALPA-spun "Emirates is subsidized OMG!" that they spew. As I said, I'll give you Qatar and Etihad, but Emirates is pushing it.
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Petty corruption is hardly akin to state support.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
As it should be. How would you feel if JAL came into JFK, ATL, DTW, SLC and started flying all sorts of nonstop flights across to Europe and South America? And directly kept the number of international flights down that your home country airline could do?
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Well, we didn't lose that war. To the victor go the spoils!
 
Cptnchia said:
Well, we didn't lose that war. To the victor go the spoils!
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So the answer has nothing to do with international competition, subsidies, but freedom rights that were taken post-war. Um, ok. So defeat someone in a war using superior technology and weaponry and to the victor go the spoils. Well, it sounds like what the ME3 carriers are doing.
 
Cptnchia said:
As long as the government can come up with a national transportation policy which doesn't sell US carriers down the river for a few quick bucks, there won't be a need to bail them out.
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We'll see, perhaps you're right.

But don't forget. It was your boss and VS's leader that made the JV that has allowed VS to directly come into LAX, ATL, and DTW... places they were not going to before, and fly Delta pax to LHR. Sure, there were slot swaps, but still, those are flights that American pilots could do on their own American airliners. I'd argue JVs are a bigger threat than what the ME3 could do to Delta.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
So the answer has nothing to do with international competition, subsidies, but freedom rights that were taken post-war. Um, ok. So defeat someone in a war using superior technology and weaponry and to the victor go the spoils. Well, it sounds like what the ME3 carriers are doing.
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what war did they fight and win? What I was getting at is that fifth freedom rights are jelously guarded. The only reason Delta has them is from a war 70 years ago, and the Japanese weren't in control of their own government at the time. MacArthur was running the country. Plus, this is only a small part of the whole issue.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
We'll see, perhaps you're right.

But don't forget. It was your boss and VS's leader that made the JV that has allowed VS to directly come into LAX, ATL, and DTW... places they were not going to before, and fly Delta pax to LHR. Sure, there were slot swaps, but still, those are flights that American pilots could do on their own American airliners. I'd argue JVs are a bigger threat than what the ME3 could do to Delta.
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You're wrong again. Those were not flights Delta could do because they didn't have the rights to land in LHR. Plus, how much money has the UK government used to prop Virgin Atlantic up? If the ME3 want to compete, then they need to not take any state money. As long as they play by the same rules everyone else is, then there's no issue
 
Cptnchia said:
what war did they fight and win? What I was getting at is that fifth freedom rights are jelously guarded. The only reason Delta has them is from a war 70 years ago, and the Japanese weren't in control of their own government at the time. MacArthur was running the country. Plus, this is only a small part of the whole issue.
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Yes, but 70 years was a long time ago. It's time the current generation stop paying for mistakes made decades ago in Japan. Sounds like the Japanese PM will finally stop apologizing for something he had no control over decades ago. We'll see what the future brings. Regardless of the reason, today pilots in Japan are suffering in their livelihoods while NWA/Delta do flights their own airlines could do from NRT to all over Asia.

What war did EK win? The customer service war :)
 
Seggy said:
They can because they legally have the rights to fly the routes by a non-subsidized entity. Big difference.
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Respond to what I said. We have all these treaties I place yet don't enforce them. Should we blame the ME3
Cptnchia said:
The bitching is to put pressure on the administration to grow a pair and finally stand up for its taxpayers and to stop kowtowing to oil money.
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Thats all I'm saying. The ME3 is an easy target as long as our own house is in order. If it's not in order then we should do some house cleaning. I think ALPA's targeting system needs some recalibration.
 
Cptnchia said:
You're wrong again. Those were not flights Delta could do because they didn't have the rights to land in LHR. Plus, how much money has the UK government used to prop Virgin Atlantic up? If the ME3 want to compete, then they need to not take any state money. As long as they play by the same rules everyone else is, then there's no issue
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Hmm, has the amount of Delta metal takeoff / landings at LHR remained constant since the JV?
 
PositionAndHold said:
Respond to what I said. We have all these treaties I place yet don't enforce them. Should we blame the ME3
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What?

Thats all I'm saying. The ME3 is an easy target as long as our own house is in order. If it's not in order then we should do some house cleaning. I think ALPA's targeting system needs some recalibration.
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Oh, you think. Got it. :rolleyes:
 
A Life Aloft said:
The shower/spa

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Oh my Lord- ridiculous.
 
Seggy said:
What?



Oh, you think. Got it. :rolleyes:
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I just want clarification. We either have laws/treaties in place as you suggest that prevent ME3 carriers from competing with us (open skies) or they're getting by with slave labor and no work rules that we can't compete with? I asked specifically what teeth does open skies have? How do you enforce a non member country operating in and out of our country?
 
PositionAndHold said:
I just want clarification. We either have laws/treaties in place as you suggest that prevent ME3 carriers from competing with us (open skies) or they're getting by with slave labor and no work rules that we can't compete with?
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All you mention paint the picture of what United States and other Airlines in the world are competing against.

I asked specifically what teeth does open skies have? How do you enforce a non member country operating in and out of our country?
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You deny them landing rights/impound their aircraft, until they start complying.
 
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