ALPA and medical reform

ATN_Pilot said:
There's nothing BS about erring on the side of safety.
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B.S. is B.S.

Why? Because when you spew it like you guys like to, the message gets lost in the argument, and nothing is gained.

Edit to add: What's B.S. is you supporting AOPA by paying dues, just to get your discount. Put your money where you mouth is. If you don't want to support AOPA and their drive to eliminate the 3rd class medical, pay full pop for your insurance. Until then, your arguments amount to nothing more than a meaningless circle jerk.
 
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exneophyte said:
I was shocked when I learned the urine sample wasn't used to test for drugs (legal and illegal) and matched up to the medications the patient reported.
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Are you serious? That would be a real medical exam.

What we do now is a joke as stated by our forums' finest.

Either make it a real exam or drop the waste of time, resources, and money it takes to issue them. How much fat could you cut from the FAA getting rid of special issuances for all the 3rd class medical holders?
 
mshunter said:
You're talking out your ass on that one.
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No, you are along with the folks who foolishly think Congress should mandate medical requirements.



Blood work is the number one way to determine good health. Checking ones blood pressure for heart disease is the equivalent of looking at a tire and assuming its pressure is good.
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Those supporting doing away with the 3rd class medical are now saying blood should be taken to get a good diagnosis on a psychical. A flight physical is a place to look for conditions that may be an issue. Yet, those that want to do away with them now are saying they want more to happen during them.

Their arguments make no sense.
 
wheelsup said:
Are you serious? That would be a real medical exam.

What we do now is a joke as stated by our forums' finest.

Either make it a real exam or drop the waste of time, resources, and money it takes to issue them. How much fat could you cut from the FAA getting rid of special issuances for all the 3rd class medical holders?
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You fail to realize what the pyschical is for.
 
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wheelsup said:
Please explain..
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The FAA knows no matter what they do, no screening process is perfect.

During a visit to the AME, they want to look for indicators or symptoms of larger issues, such as high blood pressure. If folks have an issue they want the person to get treated and back in the air.

Hence why so much bull fecal matter is being thrown around in this thread and with what the AOPA and EAA did.
 
knot4u said:
"pyschical". Tee-Hee:smoke: Run to your AME, all the letters are there but they're jumbled, early warning sign of a stroke, or Alzheimers.
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Was responding on my iPhone and missed it.

Sooooo, you are for what AOPA and EAA are doing? Having Congress regulate medical standards? Isn't that hypocritical for the big government black helicopters are following me believers like yourself?
 
Seggy said:
Was responding on my iPhone and missed it.

Sooooo, you are for what AOPA and EAA are doing? Having Congress regulate medical standards? Isn't that hypocritical for the big government black helicopters are following me believers like yourself?
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My opinion is moot since I only hold a third class medical but can pass a first class exam. I just think it's funny when the sanctimonious step on their pecker. Carry on.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
In other words, you're frustrated that you have no rational arguments to make for why safety should be degraded.
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My understanding of the AOPA/EAA argument is that the sport pilot data shows that safety isn't degraded by doing away with third class medicals.

I'm not sure why this is the AOPA cause du jur. Maybe Part 23 reform is just too big of a hurdle and this medical thing opens up a whole new base of term life insurance premiums.
 
Seggy said:
Many folks don't get an annual physical. They don't even have a primary care doctor.

The AME is just another layer of protection.
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IMO, It shouldn't be. The AME has a specific job to do - to check you based on a specific set of standards set by the FAA based on the medical certificate you are applying for. Even in the case of a first class certificate, it's pretty basic. It's simply not his job to give you a thorough examination and, AFAIK, most of the really good ones don't (and I say that even though I have a really good one who does).

If your AME is your basic defense of your medical health, that's too bad. Read Doc Forred's post here on the subject and go find a personal physician. Choose not to? That's your choice.
 
Derg said:
Yeah, I really don't have an opinion. Personally, I think there are bigger, more juicier fish to fry.
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You'll notice that it wasn't the ALPA crowd that started the debate. For ALPA, this is just a minor issue out of thousands that they're dealing with on a daily basis. But AOPA, it's a great way to spool people up to get more contributions. Hence, the AOPA crowd starting this thread and getting all bent out of shape.
 
I really don't care who started it and I am fully aware that it's one of many issues national is working on.

On the topic of national, I'm heavily curious on what's being said in the backchannels of what happened at Delta the last month. The natives are restless. Very.
 
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