ALPA and medical reform

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
ALPA is only touting the safety aspect as their primary and only reason for being against it. Non-medical pilots flying LSA have a similar success/accident rate as GA pilots with 3rd class medicals. There's no proof to show otherwise. What's your case? Besides Congress dictating medical standards? (which they aren't, by the way. AOPA+EAA have a bill that does away with that requirement if Congress chooses to pass it --- not that they (Congress) are mandating something specific for us medically speaking).
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The LSA standards haven't been in place long enough to really get good data, they only are flying during the day, outside B, C, and D Airspace, AND you the AOPA+EAA want to take away a layer of safety. You should know that if you don't see a doctor, things can be missed, and lead to serious issues at a bad time.

Once again, if ALPA was saying you needed a Class 1 Medical to fly a Cessna 172 around, yes, the line would have been crossed. Of course, they didn't do that. They said, just keep things the way they are.
 
Seggy said:
Nope. It was an Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) that created the rules. The rules are also not backasswards so I would have told that FAA guy to shut up. They should be more concerned making sure they have the right managers in place at airlines without a 'history', think Compass and Allegiant...
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Didn't the public lobby to get the rules changed? You're saying Congress had zero to do with the new rules going into place?

I dunno, I really don't believe that.
 
Seggy said:
The LSA standards haven't been in place long enough to really get good data, they only are flying during the day, outside B, C, and D Airspace, AND you the AOPA+EAA want to take away a layer of safety. You should know that if you don't see a doctor, things can be missed, and lead to serious issues at a bad time.

Once again, if ALPA was saying you needed a Class 1 Medical to fly a Cessna 172 around, yes, the line would have been crossed. Of course, they didn't do that. They said, just keep things the way they are.
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Class 3 medicals are less safe than 1. You're removing a layer of safety by allowing Joe Smoe to operate a 172 on a class 3. They could pass out and hit a Boeing.
 
wheelsup said:
Class 3 medicals are less safe than 1. You're removing a layer of safety by allowing Joe Smoe to operate a 172 on a class 3. They could pass out and hit a Boeing.
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They have a different standard than a Class 1.

Huge difference.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You can't take a away a level of safety that has never existed. It's not analogous.
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The data certainly is.

Going from a medical once a year to every three years, does it produce pilots who are incapacitated more than those going every year?

If not, extending the time frame is certainly worth investigating.
 
Seggy said:
Right, Congress said, you must have an ATP to fly for an airliners. Yes, I am not arguing that. However, HOW to get that ATP was changed and Congress left that up to the FAA to decide that part of the equation. Also, in this regard, Congress added a layer of safety. They didn't take one away.
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One thing I've learned over the years is TT means jack squat and intellect is about 99.9999% of operating an airplane safely.

It's tastefully ironic to me that had the ATP rule been in place, none of the accidents in the past 15 years or so would have been any different. All crew members met the ATP rules and were fully capable of being qualified even under the new more stringent rules. That right there tells us total time has much less significance than you would let on.
 
wheelsup said:
The data certainly is.

Going from a medical once a year to every three years, does it produce pilots who are incapacitated more than those going every year?

If not, extending the time frame is certainly worth investigating.
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Again, you miss the point. The third class medical is not something new. That's an existing regulation that's been around for decades. What we're talking about here is removing a level of safety, which has nothing to do with the already existing different medical classes.
 
wheelsup said:
One thing I've learned over the years is TT means jack squat and intellect is about 99.9999% of operating an airplane safely.

It's tastefully ironic to me that had the ATP rule been in place, none of the accidents in the past 15 years or so would have been any different. All crew members met the ATP rules and were fully capable of being qualified even under the new more stringent rules. That right there tells us total time has much less significance than you would let on.
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You are failing to realize that the ATP rule was more than just TT.
 
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