SeaPort Airlines.....

All I was saying is that we can still be united and not always agree..

Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm starting to remember why I quit coming to this place...
 
Tram said:
All I was saying is that we can still be united and not always agree..

Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm starting to remember why I quit coming to this place...
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If what has transpired in this thread is any sign of positive unity, I'll eat my dog for dinner. And yes, let's all have a tantrum, and stomp out instead of being able to control ourselves. That's such a better resolve. Come on man, really.
 
This thread is a cluster.

If this thread is any measure of the unity of pilots or human beings in general, all is lost.

I'd see this thread as a blip in the road map and the board more of the image of unity.

If you took all of us posting in this thread, removed the bravado enhancing abilities of the keyboard and anonymity, I bet we could all sit peacefully in each other's company with no one dying.

People will never agree on everything.

I agree with you on this, things are being said on both sides that wouldn't be said in person.
 
There you go. I am just attempting to get the wheels back on track and lend some better/different perspective to the dueling epaulettes here. lol Life is waaaayyy too short for this nonsense, trust me.
 
A Life Aloft said:
There you go. I am just attempting to get the wheels back on track and lend some better/different perspective to the dueling epaulettes here. lol Life is waaaayyy too short for this nonsense, trust me.
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Nicely said

I don't mind thread drifts when they are funny and good memes and pics are involved, but when it becomes attacks on each others opinions of a matter that is no more factual than it is opinionated I start to think I am on that "other forum site" Let's leave the measuring sticks and name calling to that site, since they are so great at it. Just my .02
 
JDean3204 said:
I don't mind thread drifts when they are funny and good memes and pics are involved, but when it becomes attacks on each others opinions of a matter that is no more factual than it is opinionated I start to think I am on that "other forum site" Let's leave the measuring sticks and name calling to that site, since they are so great at it. Just my .02
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And that's where everything went off the tracks for me just reading this hot mess the last two days. So I just decided, that even though I have no skin in this particular game, I would voice my own view/opinion/perspective and see if we could have a better outcome for everyone and take some of the emotions out of this hot little mess. Besides, I am old so I get to do and say what I want to in life now and if no one likes it, I just carry on anyways. lol
 
ctab5060X said:
Dude...

CHILL!


Please put the glass of koolaid down and take a look around.

Almost nobody in the airline industry makes you sign a training contract anymore. Heck, there are pilots that are going to one airline that will get them their ATP, get past IOE, and promptly bail to their preferred airline. AND ARE BEING ENCOURAGED TO DO SO! Furthermore, unless they have increased the training contract, it is $7500 for training, not $10000. Knowing you have a training contract and being able to allow an attorney to read over it doesn't constitute a new hire knowing what they are "getting into".

Captains aren't leaving because they have SJS, they are leaving because they actually want quality of life. Even regional airlines do a better job with that than SeaPort. To do 120 hours a month, you need a minimum of 15 days at the 8 hour maximum, so better round that up to 19-20. 10-11 days off with that much flight time, hand flown, month-after-month... You don't have either the time or the energy to want to do anything else. TRUST ME. Come back to this after you've flown the line at 100+ hours a month for 6+ months and see if you have the same tune. (p.s. That amount of flying is generally accepted as "working like a dog".)

Also, go back and redhead what I have posted... I have not mentioned anybody having a DUI.


As far as you ASSuming I was fired... :bounce:

I left on good terms and paid the full amount of the training contract within 45 days of when I turned my badge in.

Just ask @Stryker172 and @M20B_pilot

So much for being fired and still owing money...


Now, I've come clean and given you some facts.

Will you put the koolaid down now?
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PROBABLY THE MOST INCORRECT THING I'VE HEARD ON THIS BOARD.
 
A Life Aloft said:
There you go. I am just attempting to get the wheels back on track and lend some better/different perspective to the dueling epaulettes here. lol Life is waaaayyy too short for this nonsense, trust me.
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I turned my epaulettes in 3 years ago for a much better life, for me.

I quit coming to this site because every other poster wanted to tell you exactly how wrong you are.
 
ctab5060X said:
Never said that the airlines were encouraging that behavior. Thanks for ASSuming again...



First off, the Caravan is hardly a high speed tube of metal.

Again... "Knowing you have a training contract and being able to allow an attorney to read over it doesn't constitute a new hire knowing what they are 'getting into'."



Never said it was flight time that was being hidden, but thanks for ASSuming again...

Since I have respect for my friends and colleagues still at SeaPort, I am not going to divulge any details.



You're only looking at flight time...

You do know that your duty time (the time you are at work) usually exceeds 200 hours a month.



Honestly trying to help you here, but I hope you take that into account with your Part 135 flight and duty times for SeaPort.
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Actually that is EXACTLY what you said, nearly word for word.
 
Tram said:
I turned my epaulettes in 3 years ago for a much better life, for me.

I quit coming to this site because every other poster wanted to tell you exactly how wrong you are.
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Don't let a few nitwits do that and spoil something you enjoy. That's their issue, not yours. I have felt that way plenty of times myself, so I do understand. And it's okay to leave/change careers and do what is better for you financially, health wise, for a better quality of life, to be home more often, for better stability, for any damn reason that you feel. It's your life. What did you wind up doing, if you'd like to share? I hope things are going well for you.
 
Tram said:
I turned my epaulettes in 3 years ago for a much better life, for me.

I quit coming to this site because every other poster wanted to tell you exactly how wrong you are.
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I tried to lighten the mood for you a few hours ago but nobody was on board with my post that everyone wants something different. Until now.
 
10SM CLR said:
I'm not taking sides with anyone here and appreciate all of the information (good and bad), but if you can't express a professional opinion about your experience or insight you're banter is of little to no value.

@Roger Roger I'm sure you don't expect anyone to take your comments seriously by quoting other forum users that express your self serving interests. If you have some value to add to this conversation it'd be great to here it, but please at least provide it in some coherent context to your experience.

Let's act like the professional pilots we are and expect to be treated as.
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Let's see, 135 mechanic and pilot for 5 years, 1500+ hours PIC 135 commuter, IFR, VFR, AK time, company instructor, check airman, IA, 135 DM, time in PA31, C208, PA32, C207, etc.
worked with lots of folks on this site.
not to brag, but I'd say I know a little bit about 135 operations and you did ask for some context.
3 quotes.
First, I am legitimately floored by aviatr123098)(12:0&$!'s post about what a workaholic he is. Something wrong with the dude.

Second, what I said about seaport is absolutely true. If they weather this hiring wave it'll only be a matter of time before the next downturn when they'll have high time guys are begging for the right seat in a caravan just to keep current.

Finally, the post about right seat caravan time was mostly true if a little hyperbolic. I'd say I know a thing or two about this after a couple hundred hours of single pilot van time, most of which has been spent fighting off sleep due to how simple the airplane is.
 
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tcco94 said:
I tried to lighten the mood for you a few hours ago but nobody was on board with my post that everyone wants something different. Until now.
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The mood was light - it's the interwebz. It's not something to get spun up, regardless of what is said.

I tried telling you that being a passive aggressive • doesn't come off as "mood lightening" it comes off as passive aggressive doocheism.

But, I'm past it, let's not start that up again.
 
Tram said:
The mood was light - it's the interwebz. It's not something to get spun up, regardless of what is said.

I tried telling you that being a passive aggressive doesn't come off as "mood lightening" it comes off as passive aggressive doocheism.

But, I'm past it, let's not start that up again.
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I typically don't take anything personal because some threads turn ugly for a good day or two. Maybe I took you wrong and you took me wrong... and maybe I was coming off douchey and not knowing it, but I wouldn't hate on the forums for that.

From my perspective here, ego's and opinions aside, we all get along and help each other out the best we can.
 
tcco94 said:
I typically don't take anything personal because some threads turn ugly for a good day or two. Maybe I took you wrong and you took me wrong... and maybe I was coming off douchey and not knowing it, but I wouldn't hate on the forums for that.

From my perspective here, ego's and opinions aside, we all get along and help each other out the best we can.
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And sometimes helping each other means telling it like it is.

I sort of have a dog in this fight, but you'll notice I'm not saying much about this operator specifically because very little of what I know is more than hearsay and I save the juicy gossip on the local 135s for @Capt. Chaos (though he always seems to hear the rumors before me anyway).

All that said @ctab5060X 's side of things more closely matches what I hear from other sources than aviator20x6superworkaholic's does.
 
Roger Roger said:
Ha, thanks! That's at least 3 people on this planet who do, of course the others are my wife and my daughter so yeah.

I still owe you lunch if you get a chance one of these JNU trips.
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How old is that beautiful little baby now, btw? Being a Dad is still awesome isn't it? Gets more difficult and "interesting" to say the least, but even more wondrous as time goes on.
 
A Life Aloft said:
How old is that beautiful little baby now, btw? Being a Dad is still awesome isn't it? Gets more difficult and "interesting" to say the least, but even more wondrous as time goes on.
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Just over a year and she is a blast! Walking, talking, dancing, singing, playing...so much fun! She's a firecracker for sure.
 
Roger Roger said:
Ha, thanks! That's at least 3 people on this planet who do, of course the others are my wife and my daughter so yeah.

I still owe you lunch if you get a chance one of these JNU trips.
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If I'm still at the same job in October I'll be there... or we'll end up in Sitka!
 
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