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"OAK/151/14 and it falls, obviously, on the same fix as the D331N"

That is exacrlt what the D331N is telling you "331" is the radial "N" is the DME (14th letter of the alphabet). That's one of those "Groundschool 101" items we cover in the first day or so. The identification is built right in to the symbology that the MCDU uses.

Your captain should have reviewed the arrival in a low workload phase of cruise flight and not been so reluctant to ask questions early on.

There are a million ways to skin a cat, but there's only one configuration and airspeed to be at 1000 AFE.

Quick upgrade for that guy? These are basics.
 
That is exacrlt what the D331N is telling you "331" is the radial "N" is the DME (14th letter of the alphabet). That's one of those "Groundschool 101" items we cover in the first day or so. The identification is built right in to the symbology that the MCDU uses.

Your captain should have reviewed the arrival in a low workload phase of cruise flight and not been so reluctant to ask questions early on.

There are a million ways to skin a cat, but there's only one configuration and airspeed to be at 1000 AFE.

Quick upgrade for that guy? These are basics.

This was the cruise portion. LAX-SFO so it was a short one. You're only in cruise for ~15 minutes so by the time we were starting down I didn't want the discussion/argument to continue. I let it go and just changed it to the OAK/151/14 which creates PBD01. But like you said, D is the DME off the fix (OAK), the 331 is the inverse of the radial, and 14 is the N in the alphabet numerically speaking. The fact that I showed him PBD01 fell exactly on top of D331N should have been enough, but he didn't let it go. Not wanting to create further barriers/CRM issues, I let it go.

Yes these are basics. And yes quick upgrade. But ex-military for 20 yrs, one should know better. I guess that's where the "Kernel" name came for these types. Of course, not all ex-mil are like that. The best ones are the guys you wouldn't even have guessed were in the military. They are so quiet/humble about their life, it's impressive.

But like I said, it was a first time trip. Now that we have a rapport if I get this guy again, his touching flight control or knobs on my leg will be short-lived. He can do all the legs if this kinda stuff happens again.
 
Single-seat, pointy-nose guy?

The single-seat new hires are entertaining as hell during their first DCA river visual 19 AND you make them hand fly it. :)
 
Rivvr2 arrival into LAX, HABSO above 14k and Rivvr between 12k-14k. As usual you get the slow to 250 before HABSO, which of course decreases your descent rate and then triggers the "more drag" as the Rivvr below 14k is not shown as being met. He clears it out, and soon the magenta becomes amber as the constraint shows not being met. About 4 miles from it I tell him he's gonna be real close, might not make it. So then he finally corrects by AP off and full spoilers and we met it.

That's fine and all, we're a team, but why try and destroy CRM with arbitrary random BS?
 
Single-seat, pointy-nose guy?

The single-seat new hires are entertaining as hell during their first DCA river visual 19 AND you make them hand fly it. :)

Surprisingly no. An enlisted guy into a FE position in the AF. 20 yrs total including reserves. Worked the way into some cargo outfit as a DC10 FE, had the ratings/certs so transitioned to FO and then CA seat pretty quickly. Said cargo outfit went poof, and here we are.
 
Even on a short leg, there's nothing wrong with briefing the arrival and approach on the ground. If you don't have time, well, make it.

I'd rather have to answer to the chief pilot about delaying a flight to talk about the arrival and approach on a short leg than be sitting at an FAA hearing and saying we didn't have time because, well, it was a short leg.
 
Main reason I didn't bid the bus this last time through... even though I could have held CLT.
Really need to bid off the 190, it's a different world out there. The largest group of knucklehead captains are on the 190 I feel, or maybe that's more indicative of PHL. But come on over, it's great.
 
Really need to bid off the 190, it's a different world out there. The largest group of knucklehead captains are on the 190 I feel, or maybe that's more indicative of PHL. But come on over, it's great.
There's a reason all the senior 190 captains who were furloughed didn't get hired at JetBlue/southwest/fedex while they were gone. Lots of cool dudes, but some real odd balls too.
 
Even on a short leg, there's nothing wrong with briefing the arrival and approach on the ground. If you don't have time, well, make it.

I'd rather have to answer to the chief pilot about delaying a flight to talk about the arrival and approach on a short leg than be sitting at an FAA hearing and saying we didn't have time because, well, it was a short leg.

Our shortest leg is LAX-LAS and even that's long enough you can comfortably brief in flight. A good brief is just a couple minutes and most guys are cool with that. I guess this guy was the one exception and like the previous poster said above, I think he honestly didn't even know the nomenclature to feel comfortable enough to use it.
 
Hell, I didn't even know that a watch was for anything except use as a target when re-living "there I was" stories.

I think the issue is that fighter guys have spent hundreds/thousands of hours flying without any kind of automation, and developing muscle memory and sight pictures that fit those airplanes and those flying environments. Thus when they get to the airlines (where automation use is standard), it requires a complete re-programming of the thought process of flying. Plus, pointy-nose guys don't have any consideration for pax comfort, or keeping shallow bank and climb/descent angles, etc, when flying dark gray airplanes. There, too, requires some re-progamming in terms of how to get the airplane in the position where you want it while maneuvering a lot less.

121 initial training cycles are focused on automation use and learning procedures for the new airplane's toys specifically. Speaking as one of those guys experiencing this, it is very frustrating to not be able to first become comfortable with handling the airplane manually throughout the operational regime before learning the automation. It is frustrating to have SOPs that require autothrottle use from brake release to DH, and require some kind of FD, FGS, or AP use, because it doesn't ever let us really learn how to fly the airplane manually first. I understand why those policies exist...just pointing out what those policies mean in terms of limitations to forming new skills to replace old ones.

I've related this story before, but when I was getting my B300 type a few years ago, my general response to the standard "what's it doing now?" of setting up the MCDU or sorting through the various AP modes was to just click off the autopilot and hand fly it. After a sim or two of doing this, the instructor kindly froze the sim, kneeled between the seats, and calmly said, "look...I know you know how to fly. I'm not trying to teach you to fly. I'm trying to teach you how to use this airplane's systems, and if you keep turning them off, you are missing the whole point of why we are here." While that made sense, I was frustrated because "learning how to fly this airplane" doesn't exclusively mean being able to fly it using the FGS or FMS. You have to be a maestro at hand flying it equally as well as you do using all the other levels of automation, and without an opportunity to practice that, it is just not possible.

121 training programs -- from my little exposure and from what I have heard from my former squadron brethren -- are largely the same; because of the fundamental safety and efficiency advantages offered by automation use, that's what is taught front and center, with barely a thought given to how to hand fly. Again, I completely understand why that is, but it does somewhat limit learning the other skills needed.

So no kidding fighter guys suck at hand-flying an airplane which they've never had the opportunity to get a real feel for with their hands, and which they're handcuffed to 20 degrees of bank and 3 degrees of descent and all the other trappings of airline flying. It is hard to un-do that much muscle memory and thought process without some new experiences to replace that muscle memory.

On the flip-side, I've seen similar circus acts putting highly experienced airline pilots in the seat of the T-38 sim, and watching them try to herd the airplane around like a cow with 30 degrees of bank and being frustrated that there's no autopilot. Many of them gave me dog-watching-TV looks when I'd say things like, "roll to set your lift vector, and pull!"

Fortunately airmanship is portable and largely unrelated to the monkey-skills of stick-and-rudder. Monkey skills can be easily learned given the opportunity, even if it is an embarrassing road to get there.
 
Ehh, it's one of my only opportunities to just pretend I'm an A-10 jinking around small arms fire.

<— hand flies that motha!
 
Eh...

Considering I only see DCA during Shuttle flights, means I see the River Visual 19 waaaaayyyyy too much during a 3 or 4 day trip and way much more when all I do for a month is the DCA-LGA Shuttle.

If I'm feeling adventurous, I might disconnect the autopilot before the final turn at Gravelly Point, otherwise, I keep it coupled to the RVAV-F approach and let the box do all the work.

I'd probably hand fly it more if io didn't see that approach as often I do these days. It was actually a welcome change to fly the Mount Vernon Visual a couple of nights ago.
 
IDK, I let the jungle bus fly it sometimes. Sometimes it was all me.

Depends on the where the apathy needle was...

First time in an E170 jumpseat today. Holy cow, that was a nice looking machine. What's up with that BMW i-Drive mouse thing? That was pretty unique. I swear I saw a cursor move on the MFD as he clicked away. Mind = blown
 
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