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PeanuckleCRJ said:
You obviously are a dollars only guy. A few more bucks and you're sold.

A few check airman lines? You're talking hundreds of pilots being pushed back to rsv and thousands of missed green slips.
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Thousands of missed GSs? How did you come up with that number? Anyhow A few missed GSs and like better staffing where folks can actually swap a trip is better than hundreds of pilots on an E190 B scale. The planes are coming anyway!
 
Trip7 said:
Thousands of missed GSs? How did you come up with that number? Anyhow A few missed GSs and like better staffing where folks can actually swap a trip is better than hundreds of pilots on an E190 B scale. The planes are coming anyway!
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hundreds of extra reserve lines = thousands fewer green slips. Are you so blinded by the compensation tables that you can't see the math elsewhere? It's quite simple.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Why give up so much in such an environment, though? The LCP thing is a big give... but actually it doesn't cost much in the way of jobs. It does cost all of us money, which seems to be a big focus of yours. With 75% of the LCP trips removed, that is a large amount of pilots kicked back to reserve, and thus less white and green slip ability.



Unfortunately, you aren't going to get that great of an explanation. The committee chair explained it to me in detail... much to my dismay. :(



Historic movement historic movement historic movement. Why put such a damper on the historic movement with these major gives? Thousands a year gets cut back to 500 a year with enough work rule gives. Does that speak to you?



More long term viable large jets that don't have a very short expiration stamp on them unlike the 50's. That IS a give, no matter how you try to justify it. For me, it was tolerable in the gives this time, but it IS a give. I was very happy with the block hour ratio tightened up.

I don't think you understand that math is one of my things...
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Yes it's a give. We gave than more 76 seaters, we took more mainline jobs (50 E190s) and took away DCI jobs (block hour ratio and 450 jets to 425.) If you don't think that's tightening up scope you're in denial.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I fixed it for you.

(No present dog in this fight neither, but it's interesting to watch.)
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There will be some gives, let's not get delusional.

Trip7 said:
Yes it's a give. We gave than more 76 seaters, we took more mainline jobs (50 E190s) and took away DCI jobs (block hour ratio and 450 jets to 425.) If you don't think that's tightening up scope you're in denial.
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Yes, it is a give...That was the point. I told you it was tightening up scope "overall" and have posted that in many places, however it is a significant give with replacing jets 1 for 2 that will be around a long time for dead men walking.
 
Cptnchia said:
Oh, you don't know the half of it. The "yes men" kept pointing to the pay rates and yelling, "LOOK AT THE MONEY!!" When asked about the QOL givebacks, the answer was, "BUT LOOK AT THE MONEY!!"
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I happened to have my chief pilot on the airplane today, and he was up front trying to sell the deal that 60% of us told them to stuff, and he didn't seem to understand that, even in my lowly position, I care about my quality of life, and not just my hourly rate.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
There will be some gives, let's not get delusional.



Yes, it is a give...That was the point. I told you it was tightening up scope "overall" and have posted that in many places, however it is a significant give with replacing jets 1 for 2 that will be around a long time for dead men walking.
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Gotcha. We're on the same page there
 
Derg said:
Rushed.

Not enough loot.

Crap language.

That's about the alpha and the omega of how I feel.

If I were fresh from the anal fungus that is the regional business, I'd probably think "Ehh, not bad!"

Close to retirement, I'd probably think, "Welp, every percentage increase counts and I won't be around long enough to be affected by the work rules"

Right in the middle with a little over 20 years left, isotope NOPE.
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You should hear what my Dad had to say (and he's about twenty seconds from retirement some days) when I had lunch with him in Berkeley last week...
 
Trip7 said:
The "planes are coming anyway" argument rebuttal has been cover ad nauseum.
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Devil of it is, though, is that the planes are almost certainly coming anyway.

My management likes to dangle the "MOAR SHINY JETZ" thing at me every so often (today, in fact - it had to be stop-punched by a departure briefing so we could get on with our collective lives), but it's hardly ever related to anything the labor group(s) do re: their working arrangements. I see no reason why that would be different at any major airline. If the business case is compelling for the aircraft - barring suddenly paying E90/95 (or, God help us all, Bombardier C-Series Skidoo) jocks $350/hour - then the plane is coming, it's a question of (1) how many, and (2) what it replaces and how (in)frequently.

Incidentally, it's really great to see a 717 in SF going places, rather than a Compass 175. (And not just because of my McBoeing fetish, that is.)

The labor cost matters, but to me it's a "yeah, well, sort of" sort of thing.
 
I have safety issues.

I'm personally tired of being put into the position of tell fellow employees to call in sick if they're sick and to simply jump through the hoops of "Sick Leave Verification".

Now that trigger is much lower, WITH a lookback so here I am again with the "I swear COUGH WHEEEZE GAG I have allergies, I've used so much sick leave already".

I don't know. Again, I find myself professionally embarassed and just tired of thinking about the previous contracts and the lat two albatrosses of TA's. Tired of making excuses, tired of getting bitched at by the "trust me dude, I know more than you" FPL squads, just ungh. Over it.

The "shiny new jets for your yes vote right here" is aimed at a particular demographic of the seniority list as it has been the last umpty-ump times.
 
Cptnchia said:
Oh, you don't know the half of it. The "yes men" kept pointing to the pay rates and yelling, "LOOK AT THE MONEY!!" When asked about the QOL givebacks, the answer was, "BUT LOOK AT THE MONEY!!"
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That is exactly it.

The spinmeisters say "We're the top paid when you look at 1000 hours of pay!"

Wait, ain't nobody flying 1,000 hrs /year

Then it became, paraphrased "Cash and prizes amount ot roughly 1,000 of credit, not block"

But they leave out pensions and A Funds from their calculation.
 
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