ALPA: It's Time for Regionals To Raise Pay
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Are you kidding me? There is no more whipped group I've ever seen than pilots.
"Don't burn any bridges!"
It doesn't matter if the airline literally pushes you over a table, lubes up and starts pounding away, don't burn your bridges! Leaving during training looks bad! Wouldn't want that, would we? And good luck explaining your reasoning to another airline, which will just have the same opinion!
*Thsck, thsck, thsck, thsck, thsck, thsck*
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Worth what pilots are willing to accept for them? Agreed.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Don't kid yourself. You're actually being paid more than your skills are worth on the open market. Collective bargaining is artificially driving up the wages. If the unions disappeared tomorrow, pilots would be flying RJs for $10/hr.
HVYMETALDRVR
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lol that was graphic
ATN_Pilot said:
Not this RJ driver. I do quite well as a painter and drywalling. The compensation at the regionals is barely enough to keep my interest as it is. Its really just a good way for insurance and flight bennies with the prospect of moving up in the near future. There is is no way in hell I'd sell my time doing ANYTHING for $10/hour.
I also think you are wrong. Our regional is offering plenty more that right now to cover extra flying. Just the other day in Calgary I refused the 615am hotel van with a 705am showtime. You know what the company did? Ordered two limos (actually navigators but that's what they called it) for 645am. Damn straight.
I understand full well this will all change in the very near future but I'm taking it all in while I can!
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Itchy
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Always has been.
ASpilot2be
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Speaking of raising pay.
We used to have the lowest pay among regionals. But recently they revamped the pay and are now among the highest, if not the highest. The only problem we have recruiting people now is we fly turboprops, and not many people want to up and move to Alaska. I am on track to make $40k on first year pay here.
We used to have the lowest pay among regionals. But recently they revamped the pay and are now among the highest, if not the highest. The only problem we have recruiting people now is we fly turboprops, and not many people want to up and move to Alaska. I am on track to make $40k on first year pay here.
TWP
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yeah unfortunately there are still people marching off to the jet gigs for pennies.
Soku39
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Isn't 40k kinda not that great considering the expenses incurred by living in Alaska?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
On my portal ADP site, my YTD gross $35,583.43 at the end of March. This is flying an A320 for a LCC. It is criminal that in 3 months I made more than an entire year worth at a regional (9E).
The pay disparity between regionals and LCCs/Majors is WAY too much. It's insane we allow this to continue in our profession.
The pay disparity between regionals and LCCs/Majors is WAY too much. It's insane we allow this to continue in our profession.
wheelsup
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They use the pay at the majors as a carrot to keep costs down at the commuters.
I totally agree with ATN in a way, if there was no union wages would come down, but IMO they'd come way down at the majors. Really unsure at the commuter level, as SkyWest is non-union and enjoys decent pay rates.
I would also think they'd be less of a disparity from junior F/O to 'senior' CA. Also keep in mind with no union the company could furlough from top to bottom, reversing the list...
Mark815
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That goes for both part 91/135 and 121. Lots of hate on the airline side, but there's plenty of people still paying for their own types, signing contracts, and working for below standard pay with no raises, and terrible schedule on the corporate side.
It's criminal, yes. So how do we change it?
Did you work for a regional prior to going to your LCC? Was it worth it?
Everybody loves to point fingers for accepting low wages. I did for a long time before finally giving up and joining a regional. Why? Because every single pilot sitting at the front of a major or LCC aircraft says to get in, get the time, and get out. Nobody said to me, 'yeah go fly a corporate jet for a few years and you'll get hired at a major', they all said the same thing. Suck it up and go to a regional.
So I could have done one of two things. Kept my last job, been making way more money, but have no real career advancement, or I could "suck it up" and go to a regional, suffer for a bit and hope it pays off in the end with great career advancement. I went with the latter. I'll let you know in 37 years if it was worth it
HVYMETALDRVR
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You say that, but my old regional can't find anyone right now for 22.95/hr.
Mesa can staff at something like 22.00/hr because of an upgrade of less than 2 years.
GLA has all but imploded now at $16/hr and had to switch to PT135 to hire wet commercial guys.
pete2800
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My employer used to offer "premium pay" at 150% when they were in dire need of covering something. In the last year or so, it's gone to 200%, because people weren't responding to their 150%. In other words, FO's decided that 60 an hour wasn't good enough, it's going to take 80 for me to drive to the airport.
The union wasn't involved in negotiating this. No collective bargaining took place. The company was cancelling flights, announced the change, and cancelled fewer flights. There have been rumors that the 200% was going to go away ever since it showed up, but it hasn't.
I believe the conclusion to draw is that while RJ guys might work for 10 bucks, Dash-8 guys only work for 80.
JetDoc
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You are aware that the only reason why they do pay what they pay is to keep the unions out, right?
TWP
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It simply won't change until people refuse to work, which they won't, because when you are in your early 20s airplanes are really neat.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Non-union airlines don't exist in a vacuum. They exist in a highly unionized industry, and those unions drive up wages for them, too. They simply ride the coattails. Management keeps their pay up to keep the union off the property. Get rid of the unions throughout the industry, as has happened in most other industries in America, and the result will be the same as its been for them: falling real wages for decades.
I'm not buying it. Every time some regional pilot has told me that his airline can't find pilots, I ask the MEC chairman and he tells me that it's line pilot myth.