German Wings A320 crashed

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
You say designed logic..... I say the designed pilot is becoming more and more flawed.

And by designed pilot, I mean the pilots coming out these days who are magenta line wonders. (In part, yours truly, but I still have maintained GA flying to keep up on the stick/needle/ball). Stick and rudder skills are dead and buried, and flight managers and AP gurus are todays typically trained airline pilots.

The machine can only take the blame so much. The A320 has been flying since 1988. This particular tail number has been flying since 1991. Which means it flew successfully for 24 years without crashing. It is too premature to know exactly what happened, so I can't fault design logic. Time will tell what really happened.
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Sure, pilot training is part of it, but it isn't the end all be all from a human factors perspective.

You are right, the plane has only been flying since 1988. That in itself is part of the problem here.

While the Airbus designers thought of a lot of the scenarios that 'could happen', they couldn't think of them all, and as time has elapsed, the plane, well more specifically, the designed logic has been exposed to more scenarios and what the engineers think would happen didn't happen. Hence, while you have the plane diving in an uncommanded manner from a few airlines across the globe.

Like I said, I would have no problem putting my family on the Airbus and will probably be flying it again shortly. However, that plane does have some deeper issues than some think it does.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Well, thanks, then. Every time I pulled the pully-thing, the plane went in the direction I pulled, and I got a banana.

PS. There were artificial-feel springs, though, yes? Give me that at least!
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Well, I worked on some of the ones you flew, but a year or so before you were flying them. And yes, there is a centering spring, so you weren't completely wrong. :)
 
Seggy said:
Sure, pilot training is part of it, but it isn't the end all be all from a human factors perspective.

You are right, the plane has only been flying since 1988. That in itself is part of the problem here.

While the Airbus designers thought of a lot of the scenarios that 'could happen', they couldn't think of them all, and as time has elapsed, the plane, well more specifically, the designed logic has been exposed to more scenarios and what the engineers think would happen didn't happen. Hence, while you have the plane diving in an uncommanded manner from a few airlines across the globe.

Like I said, I would have no problem putting my family on the Airbus and will probably be flying it again shortly. However, that plane does have some deeper issues than some think it does.
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You will come back to Fifi and you will apologize to her for leaving her for a Boeing. :)


Derg said:
This guy makes my scalp itch: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pilot-flew-obama-weighs-airbus-a320-crash-article-1.2161077
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In the Boeing, the computer doesn't normally second guess the pilots control inputs. If the pilot tries to roll a 777 upside down it will roll upside down, the Airbus autopilot would normally stop the bank angle automatically at 30 degrees. Airbus thinks that this is safer; Boeing thinks that their way is safer. (Remember I'm a Boeing fan and a Boeing pilot).

If he admits being clueless about Airbus he probably shouldn't make false statements about it...
 
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