Delta Disqualifiers

Here is some great advice from Southwest Airlines:
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(And no, I'm not applying Mr. @Screaming_Emu)
 
Richman said:
The sooner folks come to the realization that this biz is more about luck than anything else, the sooner they can get to their place of zen.

Sure, you can tweak the wheel, increase your odds a little bit. Or you can go the other way, and get thrown out of the casino (not hard).

But in the end, if it just so happens that you're on top of the pile the day they need someone, you get picked. Plain and simple. I've seen it from practically day one of my time in this industry in ways that would defy any normal logic.

If you can't deal with this.... this isn't the racket for you.

Richman
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At the end of the life is all about luck. We can consider ourselves lucky for not being born in North Korea.

Or consider ourselves unlucky for not being born with LeBron James or Cristiano Ronaldo skill sets.

Everybody starts with a different hand at the poker table of life. It's how you play your cards that's up to you.
 
Trip7 said:
At the end of the life is all about luck. We can consider ourselves lucky for not being born in North Korea.

Or consider ourselves unlucky for not being born with LeBron James or Cristiano Ronaldo skill sets.

Everybody starts with a different hand at the poker table of life. It's how you play your cards that's up to you.
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What did I just read?

You understand that you referenced a poker game which requires luck and skill, but when you have a bad hand you just fold on right? Never mind, I just want to know what self help or motivational poster you cribbed that metaphor off of.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Ermagerd! Derg is applying at SWA!
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Oh no. There is nothing there that interests my career goals. Big planes, far places.

@jynxyjoe - it's a metaphor. And useful. Too many people are looking for the magic bullet or an "absolute" where there really are none to be had, which is why I posted the SWA thing.

People want cut and dry answers but it's folly.

My message to frustrated applicants at all airlines is to just focus on being the best, most well-rounded candidate you can be.

If you read the "bio" of a centerfold of Playboy magazine, she's got her likes, dislikes, turn ons and turn offs -- so if you check all th boxes, you're going to score, right?

Nope.
 
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Derg said:
@jynxyjoe - it's a metaphor. And useful. Too many people are looking for the magic bullet or an "absolute" where there really are none to be had, which is why I posted the SWA thing.

People want cut and dry answers but it's folly.

My message to frustrated applicants at all airlines is to just focus on being the best, most well-rounded candidate you can be.

If you read the "bio" of a centerfold of Playboy magazine, she's got her likes, dislikes, turn ons and turn offs -- do if you check all th boxes, you're going to score, right?

Nope.
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Either is hardly useful, (I'm assuming the model thing is another one). The only thing above that made any sense is "just focus on being the best you can be"

The FO with no captain experience at ASA who went to a lot of job fairs was a better candidate than everyone else that day and if you didn't measure up you didnt play your cards right- or maybe you know, sunlight shines on a dogs ass too.

Everyone reading this? Anomalies happen, still try and get a left seat somewhere, or get in the training department, or management side, to trick them into thinking your a tier 1 one pilot. Keep trying, if you're going to feel bad everytime someone gets a job in front of you who has less experience, time at the majors, whatever, you're on a web board of a guy who spent a couple years at a 1900 carrier and made it to Delta. If it's that bad? Find a new web board, doug even offered to pay for your membership.

Good lord. I do suggest a new thread with stupid metaphors. Sometimes the dog drags his ass on the carpet, sometimes he pees, doesn't mean you shouldn't make dinner and play poker... idk, all the pieces are there, do something with it.

Meanwhile, shouldn't you all be upgrading an application or something? Resume look like crap? Cant be that bad, get to work.
 
Derg said:
Oh no. There is nothing there that interests my career goals. Big planes, far places.

@jynxyjoe - it's a metaphor. And useful. Too many people are looking for the magic bullet or an "absolute" where there really are none to be had, which is why I posted the SWA thing.

People want cut and dry answers but it's folly.

My message to frustrated applicants at all airlines is to just focus on being the best, most well-rounded candidate you can be.

If you read the "bio" of a centerfold of Playboy magazine, she's got her likes, dislikes, turn ons and turn offs -- do if you check all th boxes, you're going to score, right?

Nope.
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Our society today is data driven to the point of data overload. People are told from a very young age, if you do this and that it will come out just right. When it doesn't, they get frustrated and take failure very personal. I agree that the whole-person approach/concept will serve an institution and industry better.
 
Vector said:
Our society today is data driven to the point of data overload. People are told from a very young age, if you do this and that it will come out just right. When it doesn't, they get frustrated and take failure very personal. I agree that the whole-person approach/concept will serve an institution and industry better.
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Agreed, however it appears we are attempting to evaluate the whole person by quantifying the unquantifiable or very difficult to quantify accurately...if that's a thing. Volunteering gives you umpteen points towards selection, involvement with your company a few more, etc. and then add all of this up to some arbitrary total or number that equals success. (I could be wrong, that's how it appears to me)

It seems to me current employees in good standing who know their company and culture and will work side by side with walking in with names/resumes saying "hire this person" should carry a significant amount of weight but now at some places they don't even matter until post-interview. I understand that no system is perfect and it is limited in capability. There has to be some sort of method to differentiate candidates with such a deep pool of applicants but It is frustrating being on the outside, trying to show how well rounded one is by checking boxes and writing tidbits on a computerized application in the hopes that it'll finally tip the scale and result in an opportunity to interview.

That said, I'll continue to fly, volunteer when I can and round myself out some more wherever I can. Not much else to do but keep fighting for it. I hear you don't even have to wear undies at the majors.
 
Happiness can't be measured, only felt. One of the many problems with our supposedly scientific culture is that it has inculcated the belief that hitting the sweetspot on the achievement curve = happiness (whatever that is). Now, we all know this, whether through epigrams, ancient wisdom, anecdotes, simple common sense, or Instagram. But confronting it as it pertains to our individual perfect, blessed lives is a different kettle of fish altogether. For my part, I find the notion of "volunteering" in order to appear more attractive to a hiring board to be poisonous. Possibly whatever is just a bit worse than that. Horrifying? It cheapens the act of volunteering (everyone else takes a step back, and I guess you've volunteered), but more to the point, it cheapens the volunteer. Imagine the world we're building with this sort of (expurgated). Wherein no one ever does or says anything that isn't in their own direct self-interest. Human kindness, the ineffable link between sentient creatures, our (in my view, insane, but nevertheless beautiful) yearning for the divine? All of these things become just another way of talking about numbers, abstractions of being alive, rather than the fact of the same.

Nope, nope, nope. I opt out, and you should, too. Er, IMHO.
 
Derg said:
Oh no. There is nothing there that interests my career goals. Big planes, far places.

@jynxyjoe - it's a metaphor. And useful. Too many people are looking for the magic bullet or an "absolute" where there really are none to be had, which is why I posted the SWA thing.

People want cut and dry answers but it's folly.

My message to frustrated applicants at all airlines is to just focus on being the best, most well-rounded candidate you can be.

If you read the "bio" of a centerfold of Playboy magazine, she's got her likes, dislikes, turn ons and turn offs -- so if you check all th boxes, you're going to score, right?

Nope.
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In the end, you can only control what you can control.......

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jynxyjoe said:
Everyone reading this? Anomalies happen, still try and get a left seat somewhere, or get in the training department, or management side, to trick them into thinking your a tier 1 one pilot. Keep trying, if you're going to feel bad everytime someone gets a job in front of you who has less experience, time at the majors, whatever, you're on a web board of a guy who spent a couple years at a 1900 carrier and made it to Delta. If it's that bad? Find a new web board, doug even offered to pay for your membership.

Good lord. I do suggest a new thread with stupid metaphors. Sometimes the dog drags his ass on the carpet, sometimes he pees, doesn't mean you shouldn't make dinner and play poker... idk, all the pieces are there, do something with it.

Meanwhile, shouldn't you all be upgrading an application or something? Resume look like crap? Cant be that bad, get to work.
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