Delta Disqualifiers

Acrofox said:
I actually agree, in a sense. I don't /like/ the "Degree in X" requirement, but I don't find it de facto unreasonable—I just find it unreasonably (and objectionably) exclusive, and biased towards income.

However, the "Requires a degree in anything" requirement I do take as de facto unreasonable.

But that's my particular windmill, and I'll stop tilting at it in this thread.

-Fox
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I feel the same way. It too me longer to graduate since I transferred colleges and changed majors. Also some classes were only offer once a year. Also working 1-2 jobs didn't allow for a full load in some semesters.
 
AA34 said:
Can't believe how many people are losing their minds over a guy asking to have a rumor cleared up.

I did two degrees in 4.5 years at a large state school and am far from a trust fund kid. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people I knew finished under 5 years. It seems popular in this thread to discredit people who have done the same. I feel for you guys with special circumstances but the actual Delta pilots are telling you not to lose sleep. Have some beers - it's Saturday.
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I think it's more of a projection, because we all know that HR over there, and quite frankly at other places, uses some pretty ridiculous metrics for applicants.
 
Acrofox said:
I actually agree, in a sense. I don't /like/ the "Degree in X" requirement, but I don't find it de facto unreasonable—I just find it unreasonably (and objectionably) exclusive, and biased towards income.

However, the "Requires a degree in anything" requirement I do take as de facto unreasonable.

But that's my particular windmill, and I'll stop tilting at it in this thread.

-Fox
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Degree: biology
Minor: foxology
 
Yay!!!! Everybody should get a trophy and juicebox!!!!


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AA34 said:
Can't believe how many people are losing their minds over a guy asking to have a rumor cleared up.

I did two degrees in 4.5 years at a large state school and am far from a trust fund kid. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people I knew finished under 5 years. It seems popular in this thread to discredit people who have done the same. I feel for you guys with special circumstances but the actual Delta pilots are telling you not to lose sleep. Have some beers - it's Saturday.
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Quoted for truth
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Strange, I can't find anyone who was suggesting that anywhere in this thread.
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Then you and I have widely differing outlooks on this thread.

From what I've read, any type of supposed qualification that Delta grades upon that negatively affects someone's chances of getting hired is immediately judged to be stupid, arrogant, and oppressive by that person. And of course, for good measure, they will add that they didn't really want to get hired by Delta anyway (the old "I'm taking my soccer ball and going home" strategy)

As someone said, getting a four year degree in four years is really not that miraculous. I have no doubt that there are several people here who have some honest to goodness hard luck stories about why it took greater than 6 years to get a degree. On the flip side, for every one of them, I bet I could find 20 people who took greater than 6 years because they partied nonstop while aimlessy switching majors several times and spending a year on Mom and Dad's couch to get their head straight. Unfortunately, the exception does not make the rule and I don't blame Delta for going with the law of averages. Just because you can show me one guy who dropped out of high school and became a billionaire CEO of a tech start-up does not mean there aren't a thousand drop outs spinning "HUGE SALE TODAY" signs in front of mattress stores.

Simply being able to fly a plane does not guarantee you a spot at Delta or any major. A huge portion of the population has the hand eye coordination to fly planes. If you look at most accidents in the past couple decades I will bet that the causal factors had nothing to do with the crews ability to proficiently fly a barrel roll. More likely, they came down to a whole chain of bad decisions, planning, judgment, situational awareness/threat recognition, crew coordination/management etc. If we are talking about fighter pilots, then yes, I would place a premium on stick and rudder. But we are airline pilots, and it's pretty clear that Delta values headwork.
 
Get-home-itis said:
From what I've read, any type of supposed qualification that Delta grades upon that negatively affects someone's chances of getting hired is immediately judged to be stupid, arrogant, and oppressive by that person.
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I haven't seen that at all. I've seen a rather rational discussion about why a certain requirement is nonsensical. Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see?
 
mshunter said:
Sooooo what you're saying is that in order to get to Delta, you should amass a HUGE amount of debt, just for the chance that you might get hired there? Didn't that go against everything we preach here? And, if asking that path, something comes up, say a parent gets cancer, and you take a year off from college to take care of said sick parent, you just royally screwed yourself with that debt because you did what was morally right? My father has had cancer not once, not twice, but three times. All three times I have been there for him and my mother. Had I been in school, that would have been the first thing to go, because taking care of a sick parent, working full time, raising two kids AND going to school would have been recipe for failure at the last important thing at the time, which would have been school.
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No, nobody is saying anything of the sort.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I haven't seen that at all. I've seen a rather rational discussion about why a certain requirement is nonsensical. Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see?
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Well then, there you have it. Because you place no value on the requirement it must be completely nonsensical. Case closed.

Is there any possibility that Delta has found that getting a 4 year degree within 6 years might be a indication of an individual's motivation, inteligence, maturity, judgment, stick-to-itiveness or diligence?

Nobody has said that it's a no-go item, but if you took a long time then maybe you need to show those qualities in other ways on your application.

I graduated form the Naval Academy (yeah, I'm one those guys) and got hired by Delta and feel I earned both of those qualifications. But I didn't get into every school I applied to and there were airlines that I sent resumes to who I never heard from. I don't consider those schools or airlines stupid and nonsensical. I just didn't make the grade. In the Big Boy world, not everyone gets a trophy and a juicebox.
 
Get-home-itis said:
Well then, there you have it. Because you place no value on the requirement it must be completely nonsensical. Case closed.
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You must not understand how an online forum works. You see, people with differing opinions discuss those differing opinions. Apparently you think Delta's requirement makes sense, while other people disagree. That doesn't mean that they think "everyone gets a trophy and a juicebox."
 
Has there been a thread that went 11 pages in less than 2 days? Control the things that you can (i.e. networking, updating apps, etc.)...the hr process to call for an interview is something that is out of our control. Good luck to everyone!
 
Get-home-itis said:
I graduated form the Naval Academy (yeah, I'm one those guys) and got hired by Delta and feel I earned both of those qualifications. But I didn't get into every school I applied to and there were airlines that I sent resumes to who I never heard from. I don't consider those schools or airlines stupid and nonsensical. I just didn't make the grade. In the Big Boy world, not everyone gets a trophy and a juicebox.
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So...just to be clear, who paid for your education? I mean, I know you earned it, but who bore the financial responsibility for your college education and flight training? Because not everyone has the physical ability to go to school in 4 years.

Also, above you mentioned something about aimlessness - well, that effectively defined my participation in school. I studied everything that was interesting to me, regardless of it's practical value outside of the school environment - isn't that what education is supposed to be about? The only thing that I was really focused on was flying for a living, which is what I did for every year I've gone to college with the exception of my first year, when I received my commercial. When I finally decided to focus on one thing to get the piece of paper done, I focused on an aviation degree. I flew just shy of 6,000hrs while I was going to college, I flew damn near everywhere in the country, throughout Alaska, and in Canada and Mexico while taking no less than two classes per semester. I got my ATP and a type rating while I was in college. I got married while I was in college. My wife had two kids while I was in college. I worked a 60hr/week job while I was in college. Hell, I'll be honest, I even (gosh golly-gee wilikers should I really say this on a forum?!) failed a class and retook it along the way and learned how important it was to manage time if you were going to juggle all of these eggs at once!

There's a lot of things in life I did while I was going to school that weren't school related. While that was my choice, and the Suthun Jets doesn't really interest me a lot anyway, I will say that it seems ludicrous to me to even include that as a metric for potential future performance. I mean, I think I'm probably a bad choice for that particular Air Line anyway - and barring the apocalypse they'd laugh me out of the interview because I'd probably show up in Carharts and a hoodywith a five-o'clock shadow. I'll say that now I'm done with my first degree, I'll continue going to school in some way or another until I'm tired of learning (doubtful) or I'm too senile to take classes.
 
ross9238 said:
Has there been a thread that went 11 pages in less than 2 days? Control the things that you can (i.e. networking, updating apps, etc.)...the hr process to call for an interview is something that is out of our control. Good luck to everyone!
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Very true! Work on yourself and eventually you'll fit some kind of metrics that a great airline is looking for.
 
Get-home-itis said:
And of course, for good measure, they will add that they didn't really want to get hired by Delta anyway (the old "I'm taking my soccer ball and going home" strategy)
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This was directed at me, right?

I know it's hard to believe, but anyone who knows me personally knows that I'm not terribly interested in moving over to a legacy carrier. I have my reasons. The biggest of those being that I live where I want, don't jumpseat to work, already pull in a solid income, and am sitting about 2.5 years junior to holding 767 CA. It's not Delta money, but negotiations open back up for our next CBA next year (the current one was signed in 2011 when everyone was in a slump).

So, if you were in my shoes, would you really spend all your time off chasing Delta around to job fairs, or jumping through all the hoops required to get to "Tier 1"? Me, I'd rather enjoy my time off with friends and family, even if I'm not at the Air Line du jour. I simply don't feel like playing fetch for the stick, and I mean it.
 
Get-home-itis said:
On the flip side, for every one of them, I bet I could find 20 people who took greater than 6 years because they partied nonstop while aimlessy switching majors several times and spending a year on Mom and Dad's couch to get their head straight.
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So what!? They're teenagers!

I can't even imagine being one of these people who just have no idea what they want to do in life and then being told they have to go to school. Those that are "aimlessly switching majors" are trying to figure out what fits them. I think it's ridiculous to expect an 18yr old to know what to do with the next 40+ years of their life before they even discover any of the real world.
 
ppragman said:
So...just to be clear, who paid for your education? I mean, I know you earned it, but who bore the financial responsibility for your college education and flight training? Because not everyone has the physical ability to go to school in 4 years.
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I'm pretty sure Uncle Sam foots the bill for West Point, Naval Academy and the Airforce Academy.
 
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