Allegiant Airlines
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Luigi
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So do these CAL scabs who essentially "got away with murder" have a chip on their shoulders, or do they lay low? Their names have to appear on the list, as its unofficial anyway, but they're essentially untouchable, by court order? Can imagine the heartburn that must cause.
av8tr1
"Never tell me the odds!"
How is it thoroughly vetted? I know this is probably standard practice for a long time. However calling up my legal education much of what I read is illegal activity. I even see things rising to the level of felony on the part of the anti-scab side.
Reading the poor guys (not taking his side here) it seems logical to me that when he started he knew something was up but didn't know what or how to deal with it so he went with the flow. That is probably what he was taught his entire career up to that point. Just follow directions and keep your mouth shut. I've heard that all my life. I can easily see someone new to the aviation world not knowing what to do here. Heck I've started my professional pilot career in the early 90s and I didn't know this stuff goes on to this level.
So once he figured things out he was stuck with loosing his job for not finishing the flight or just getting home to his family and sorting things out there. Sounds like (?) he did the best he could do once he was back on the ground at his point of origin? What am I missing here?
I get the whole united front part of this for pilots. I watched my Aunt loose her retirement when United went kablewie. So I can certainly agree but the level of retribution this guy got seems to be like something out of lord of the flies.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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If memory serves, about 2,750. Keep in mind, however, that most of the names on that list are scumbags who took jobs off the street, not original EAL pilots. About 200 pilots crossed the lines the first few days (sometimes called the "golden 200" by the SCABs). More trickled back over time, especially as Lorenzo made personal phone calls to their spouses to scare them into pressuring their husbands to cross. But he got most of his SCABs by sending out letters to every commercial pilot in Florida offering them a job. Guys with 250 hours and fresh commercials were getting offers to come to the illegitimate EAL.
av8tr1
"Never tell me the odds!"
Mind you I come from the Helicopter side of the world and it's dog eat dog there. Serious blue collar BS. I've seen people do things to their best friend that I wouldn't do to an enemy.
I heard a story of a tuna boat crew that sabotaged a helicopter so they wouldn't have to pay the pilot. He crashed at sea and was never found. The only reason people know is someone from the boat crew blabbed at a bar.
I would hope there would be a better class of people in fixed wing aviation.
I heard a story of a tuna boat crew that sabotaged a helicopter so they wouldn't have to pay the pilot. He crashed at sea and was never found. The only reason people know is someone from the boat crew blabbed at a bar.
I would hope there would be a better class of people in fixed wing aviation.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
They can't get any official retribution, but I hear plenty of line guys make things uncomfortable for them. Other members could probably speak more authoritatively on it since they work there and probably have to fly with some of these scumbags on occasion. When I flew with the few EAL SCABs we had, it was a very quiet cockpit for days at a time. It has to be a lonely existence for those pieces of trash, even when they aren't being actively harassed.
Picture evidence and witnesses are usually required for someone to appear on the list. Of course, you can also bring legal action if you are named as a SCAB and didn't cross a picket line. That's libel. None have ever successfully sued.
Whatever he got was too good for him.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
That's true, you can't deny that. When it comes to law, there is no law that prohibits crossing a picket line and being a scab. There are laws, however, against initimation/threatening and vandalism. Strewing garbage on the Falcon crew's lawn is an illegal activity chargeable offenses of trespassing and vandalism.
One is illegal, the other is not. Scabs suck but lets all act like adults. Don't break the law.
One is illegal, the other is not. Scabs suck but lets all act like adults. Don't break the law.
Wow. That's taking things to a whole new level of illegal, all because they didn't want to pay.
hook_dupin
Well-Known Member
Has anyone figured out when the scab list becomes a list of 5,900 dead guys and the two Spirit scabs.
Related, I'm pretty sure a strike at a major carrier is politically impossible now.
Related, I'm pretty sure a strike at a major carrier is politically impossible now.
av8tr1
"Never tell me the odds!"
Yeah Mike, I've seen some of the worst stuff out of the helicopter industry. Just in the past two years alone.....
I swear probably the best decision I ever made was to switch from rotor to fixed wing.
- I've had a DPE assign me overspun aircraft saying the mechanic said it was ok to fly till the 100 hour (When check Mechanic denied ever saying that of course)
- Obviously drunk pilots on the job carrying passengers without anyone questioning them (because it's none of their business)
- A company who had a policy of not checking fuel because they flew in a high altitude desert environment and couldn't get moisture (and the owner was good friends with the fueler so he would never put bad fuel in)
- An instructor who just had a tail strike with significant damage, slow fly the helicopter across a major airport in and around Boeing type aircraft so he could hide the aircraft in the hanger.
All company approved to avoid the FAA of course.
I swear probably the best decision I ever made was to switch from rotor to fixed wing.
Kingairer
'Tiger Team' Member
One of my first commutes ever, the crusty DL captain didn't bother to turn around and look at me, pulls out his list, check its, and hands back my ID. I was 22 at the time and probably a baby when theses guys scabbed . Of course I was thinking "you could've saved yourself some time had you bothered to turn around" and of course I didn't say this but rather "thanks for the ride!"
When I was JSing, there was no such thing as a DL jumpseat. Didn't exist, for their own or for anyone else.
DE727UPS
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I'm gonna say this was 20 years ago but I was trying to catch a United jumpseat once out of ORD. A United Capt had the seat and I figured I was screwed. As I contemplated plan B, the United guy comes over and says if I give him $20 he'll ride in the back. I said sure and gave him the money. He sits in the back on his pass and I'm in the jumpseat. I'm talking to the pilots and they ask me about the guy who took the pass in the back and I tell them the whole story. I get the impression from the tone in the cockpit that something big just happened but I don't know what. Later they say the guy was a scab.
After we get to the gate, Capt tells me to sit tight for a minute. He's up out of his seat and proceeds to rip the scab verbally for selling his jumpseat and taking a pass as the guy heads down the jetway. I'm trying to lay low but finally I have to get off the plane. Scab is waiting for me at the gate and proceeds to rip on me and tells me he'll never let another UPS pilot ride on his jumpseat. I just walked away. United guys hate scabs. Never heard another word.
After we get to the gate, Capt tells me to sit tight for a minute. He's up out of his seat and proceeds to rip the scab verbally for selling his jumpseat and taking a pass as the guy heads down the jetway. I'm trying to lay low but finally I have to get off the plane. Scab is waiting for me at the gate and proceeds to rip on me and tells me he'll never let another UPS pilot ride on his jumpseat. I just walked away. United guys hate scabs. Never heard another word.
When Ansett pilots walked off the job in 1989, the airline had some kind of financial interest in America West, not sure what specifically. Some America West 737 crews went down to Australia and flew the struck work down there during that time. Hence why you see "America West Export Operation" next to their name.
Its kind of interesting perusing the list. One guy's date of birth is 2/1962, yet was a CAL '83 hire. He was hired at 21 years old?
Another guy, is a double scab. Hired UAL '85, quit, then scabbed to Eastern '89. Along with another couple double scabs who did CAL 83 and UAL 85. One even was a PATCO '81 scab, then a CAL '83 scab.
Another guy, is a double scab. Hired UAL '85, quit, then scabbed to Eastern '89. Along with another couple double scabs who did CAL 83 and UAL 85. One even was a PATCO '81 scab, then a CAL '83 scab.
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In terms of denying jumpseats to scabs, what do you do if the scab is someone who is now from your own airline who is seeking the jumpseat? Seems it'd be a sticky situation denying one of your own, for example some names listed who are/were at Delta for example.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Now wait a second. You need to understand the context and the emotions of those out on the picket line of a strike. They are risking everything for the betterment of their profession. Thousands of Eastern and Continental Pilots lost everything in the 1980s, dozens commuted suicide as a result of that loss, it's an emotional experience, so actions like that may be taken by folks who normally wouldn't do that. So don't get on that high horse here.
Also, let's not forget many police officers are members of a union so they may not work to hard to find those who put trash on a scabs lawn.
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