Envoy (Eagle) Passes TA

[CoffeeIcePapers]

It isn't so easy to move up the food chain. I have 8 LORs on file at your airline have a good bit more TT than a lot of guys getting hired at your airline and have 20 years of Community service charity work. The same goes for United, hell I can't even get Allegiant to give me an interview. I love you man but let's be real, you hit the lottery. Their are a lot of guys just like you busting thier asses and but are still flying a RJ for pennies.

In two years time, you'll read this post and be laughing about it. There's a seat for every guy like you at a major. I know what it's like to be stuck in a dead end job, but try to stay positive and try to focus on stuff outside of work.

 

[surreal1221]

Just tap your heels together. It's so easy!

Yeah! What the hell, why are you guys still at a RE-jaah-nole?

Aren't you guys going to job fairs, applying for type rating scholarships, getting LORs, flying more, volunteering with kittens, holding old people's hands across the highway, and begging for a job?

Get with it - slackers. Quit being LAZY!

 

[jynxyjoe]

Yeah! What the hell, why are you guys still at a RE-jaah-nole?

Aren't you guys going to job fairs, applying for type rating scholarships, getting LORs, flying more, volunteering with kittens, holding old people's hands across the highway, and begging for a job?

Get with it - slackers. Quit being LAZY!

Absolutely. If you haven't moved on already you're the problem. Damn regional lifer!

There's guys with no TPIC getting picked up by Delta because all you lazy lifers won't leave the regionals!

BTW: all you regional lifers need to stop hanging out at the job fairs for fun and to make fun of all us trying to move on. The places are cramped and last minute (week prior) tickets are impossible to get.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

Yeah! What the hell, why are you guys still at a RE-jaah-nole?

Aren't you guys going to job fairs, applying for type rating scholarships, getting LORs, flying more, volunteering with kittens, holding old people's hands across the highway, and begging for a job?

Get with it - slackers. Quit being LAZY!

You guys are missing the point.

 

[BobDDuck]

You guys are missing the point.

I don't think they are. The point is that in the future it MAY not matter as they will MAYBE be hired somewhere else.

But when you are still in the trenches and guys way less qualified and who put in way less effort than you are getting picked up those are a whole lot of maybes to hang your hat on... even if your company doesn't require them.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

You guys are missing the point.

No, we aren't. I would point out that the poster below has moved onward and upwards to fly a McBoeing, and makes the point pretty succinctly. Viz:

I don't think they are. The point is that in the future it MAY not matter as they will MAYBE be hired somewhere else.

But when you are still in the trenches and guys way less qualified and who put in way less effort than you are getting picked up those are a whole lot of maybes to hang your hat on... even if your company doesn't require them.

Wear one anyway!

 

[surreal1221]

I don't think they are. The point is that in the future it MAY not matter as they will MAYBE be hired somewhere else. But when you are still in the trenches and guys way less qualified and who put in way less effort than you are getting picked up those are a whole lot of maybes to hang your hat on... even if your company doesn't require them.

Awe...

HE gets it.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

I don't think they are. The point is that in the future it MAY not matter as they will MAYBE be hired somewhere else.

But when you are still in the trenches and guys way less qualified and who put in way less effort than you are getting picked up those are a whole lot of maybes to hang your hat on... even if your company doesn't require them.

So the solution is to come on here and whine about how it isn't fair? I think that time could be spent doing something to buy more tickets for the Major Airline Lottery, rather than crying over things you can't control, personally.

 

[Trip7]

So the solution is to come on here and whine about how it isn't fair? I think that time could be spent doing something to buy more tickets for the Major Airline Lottery, rather than crying over things you can't control, personally.

Awe....

He GETS it

 

[Ajax]

Awe....

He GETS it

If a pilot isn't complaining he's dead

 

[mastermags]

It's frustrating at times, but just keep on keeping on. There's too much opportunity out there for hard-working, well-networked people to not get a call eventually. There hiring wave is just starting.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Awe....

He GETS it

It might be the toneless nature of this medium, but I sincerely hope I don't detect condescension here.

This isn't a matter of "getting it," it's a matter of empathy for your fellow pilot. Which, I suppose, is one way of saying "getting it."

Rest assured, those of us (hi!) who do want to move on are doing our utter damnedest to do so. It's certainly not a lack of trying for a lot of people.

 

[Trip7]

It might be the toneless nature of this medium, but I sincerely hope I don't detect condescension here.

This isn't a matter of "getting it," it's a matter of empathy for your fellow pilot. Which, I suppose, is one way of saying "getting it."

Rest assured, those of us (hi!) who do want to move on are doing our utter damnedest to do so. It's certainly not a lack of trying for a lot of people.

No one is knocking the effort. But to come on a board and complain that others being hired who in your opinion are "inferior" to you or refer to recent new hires as "winning the lottery" as if they applied and we're hired randomly implies a "chip on the shoulder" frame of mind. Even if one gets an interview at their covet carrier, that attitude could potentially show up even if you tried to hide it.

Positivity goes a long way. The JCers I saw at OBAP exhibited that. And they are getting hired.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

No one is knocking the effort. But to come on a board and complain that others being hired who in your opinion are "inferior" to you or refer to recent new hires as "winning the lottery" as if they applied and we're hired randomly implies a "chip on the shoulder" frame of mind. Even if one gets an interview at their covet carrier, that attitude could potentially show up even if you tried to hide it.

Er, well, everything that's happened in my career thus far has been a combination of "networking," "earning it" and "being in the right place at the right time."

When (if?) my phone lights up with a 404 area code, I personally will feel like I've won the lottery. In the meantime, it certainly helps to be able to keep a roof over one's head while continuing to do an excellent job flying airplanes. That's my point. I can't look at what's going on at, say, Envoy (or most other regional carriers, for that matter), and find too many reasons to feel good about it even with a hiring spree in progress.

Positivity goes a long way.

Oh, absolutely.

I think it's possible to have a positive but realistic outlook on this. Industrywide, things are great. As far as Envoy, not so much. And what happens over there does matter.

 

[Trip7]

I can't look at what's going on at, say, Envoy (or most other regional carriers, for that matter), and find too many reasons to feel good about it even with a hiring spree in progress.

With the abundance of opportunity out there right now lateral moves, job fairs etc, I see plenty of reasons to feel good.

I think it's possible to have a positive but realistic outlook on this. Industrywide, things are great. As far as Envoy, not so much. And what happens over there does matter.

Positive and realistic is one thing. Complaining folks inferior to you are being hired is another.

 

[Baronman]

It's sad that I have to explain to buddies who've spent 10 years plugging away that they need to get their butts to job fairs. I think job fairs trump any experience nowadays.

 

[Phil Schuyler]

I'll say it again. It's these multi-year pay scales that are doing it to you. They create economic incentive to shift flying from regional A to B. There's no growth, just a constant reshuffling of the seniority list. Get rid of them! One pay rate for seat and aircraft, regardless of longevity. If you can't do that, at least tighten them up, say to 5 years of something. As an added bonus, you also eliminate the golden handcuffs that keep lifers at the regionals.

 

[Eagle421flyer]

Also just because you get an interview at your dream job doesn't mean you will get hired. I have a good friend of mine who's been at XJT 14 years, we were new hires together. Got "the" call after networking and job fairs, he went to the interview and got Thanks but no thanks." He doesn't have any violations, failures, and hardly ever calls in sick. @BobDDuck is right when you"re in the trenches it's a different view point.

 

[pete2800]

I'll say it again. It's these multi-year pay scales that are doing it to you. They create economic incentive to shift flying from regional A to B. There's no growth, just a constant reshuffling of the seniority list. Get rid of them! One pay rate for seat and aircraft, regardless of longevity. If you can't do that, at least tighten them up, say to 5 years of something. As an added bonus, you also eliminate the golden handcuffs that keep lifers at the regionals.

Exactly. Perhaps not a single rate for each seat, but certainly a severely compressed scale with annual cost-of-living adjustments would work much better. The ability to make lateral moves while preserving compensation is something that's sorely lacking in aviation, but is present in the majority of other industries.

 

[wheelsup]

Exactly. Perhaps not a single rate for each seat, but certainly a severely compressed scale with annual cost-of-living adjustments would work much better. The ability to make lateral moves while preserving compensation is something that's sorely lacking in aviation, but is present in the majority of other industries.

My wife gets the vast majority of her raises by going to another company. In today's world the norm is 2-3 years at most and then jump ship to another gig. If you've been there longer than that people start to wonder what's wrong with you.