KCM

amorris311 said:
I don't think you know what a thug tactic is.

He didn't threaten or cause bodily injury to anyone. I am even going to go out on a limb and say he didn't cause emotional distress either. Where is the thug tactic?
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I was extrapolating from his "touchy feely approach" not working quote. The opposite of touchy feely is coercion and at the extreme, thug behavior. That group-think mentality is dangerous.

Obviously his quote wasn't threatening, but it certainly didn't win any hearts and minds.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
I was extrapolating from his "touchy feely approach" not working quote. The opposite of touchy feely is coercion and at the extreme, thug behavior. That group-think mentality is dangerous.

Obviously his quote wasn't threatening, but it certainly didn't win any hearts and minds.
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Groupthink IS dangerous. There are quite a few people on this site who know that @Seggy and I worked together at another airline. We would disagree on issues and how to go about getting them resolved. At the end of the day though we would have the same message and move forward with an implementation process. That is not groupthink but a defined message.
 
wheelsup said:
Butt...what?
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White collar thug tactics?

To me that is a manger lying to you about the financial stability of a company. Forcing the work group to take concessions in order to keep the company viable. After a few months/years you come to find out it was all a scam in order to get said managers a raise or bonus. That is white collar thug tactics in my book. What is yours?
 
amorris311 said:
Groupthink IS dangerous. There are quite a few people on this site who know that @Seggy and I worked together at another airline. We would disagree on issues and how to go about getting them resolved. At the end of the day though we would have the same message and move forward with an implementation process. That is not groupthink but a defined message.
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I've got no problem with that. I DO have a problem with people bullying coworkers who don't conform to their expectations.

But that's off topic.

Yay KCM. :)
 
ZapBrannigan said:
I just thought he was being a wiener. Didn't really try to analyze his motives or what he could do better. That's easy. Be less of a wiener. (I didn't say "stop being a wiener" because, well come on. We all have the right to put on our wiener suit once in a while to make our point)
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Or after drinking scotch. Don't forget the alcohol lubricated posts.
 
wheelsup said:
That's an ALPA problem not a SkyWest problem.

The overall question, WHY JOIN ALPA?

If there isn't a benefit to joining, or enough of a benefit, that is an ALPA issue.

There are some pretty horribly paid ALPA pilots and some non-union pilots that make the same or more than the top ALPA carriers in their bracket.

If all ALPA carriers were paid 25% more and enjoyed great job stability (hahaha..ha.) you'd see more of a push to join internally.
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I think that's kind of Seggys point. And one I share.

These things require significant work to accomplish, both financial and otherwise. Then these guys get to piggyback for free.

If they weren't allowed to do that, maybe there would be more incentive to join.

As for the pay part, I agree with you. But that as well, in my opinion, is derived from a lack of unity. If we all set a minimum standard and stuck to it. Everyone would be better off.
 
I don't mind the uniform.

Some of our cohorts behind the locking cockpit door tend to arrive at the KCM point and have to dig their credentials out of their purse or their cabin bag and want to have a conversation with the screener and their coworkers at the checkpoint.

Now if you get behind a widebody crew, it's generally faster just to go through TSA pre-check nowadays.

In PHX, if there are any more than five people at the KCM desk, I'll just "pre check" and save the time.
 
Derg said:
I don't mind the uniform.

Some of our cohorts behind the locking cockpit door tend to arrive at the KCM point and have to dig their credentials out of their purse or their cabin bag and want to have a conversation with the screener and their coworkers at the checkpoint.

Now if you get behind a widebody crew, it's generally faster just to go through TSA pre-check nowadays.

In PHX, if there are any more than five people at the KCM desk, I'll just "pre check" and save the time.
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Sounds like you hit the DTW KCM around noon. :)
 
Derg said:
I don't mind the uniform.

Some of our cohorts behind the locking cockpit door tend to arrive at the KCM point and have to dig their credentials out of their purse or their cabin bag and want to have a conversation with the screener and their coworkers at the checkpoint.

Now if you get behind a widebody crew, it's generally faster just to go through TSA pre-check nowadays.

In PHX, if there are any more than five people at the KCM desk, I'll just "pre check" and save the time.
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I don't understand why it's a surprise. Every time.
 
scooter2525 said:
I don't understand why it's a surprise. Every time.
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I know.

KCM is the easiest open book test there is:

Scan your card.
Show your passport.
Have you ID on your outermost garment and visible (like you're supposed to anyway)

But, alas, some people arrive at the checkpoint absolutely bewildered and shocked that the inconvenience of scanning a card, having your passport READY and having your ID properly displayed is simply preposterous. HOW DARE THEY! :)

Well, there's always the X-ray and metal detector...
 
amorris311 said:
Sounds like you hit the DTW KCM around noon. :)
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You should see JFK.

Far, far worse.

I really wouldn't mind paying $1/year to use the system. That would make about half of us eligible for KCM scream "Bah!" and shorten up delays at the checkpoint.

You really don't want me as CEO or FAA Administrator. You would simply hate me.
 
Derg said:
I know.

KCM is the easiest open book test there is:

Scan your card.
Show your passport.
Have you ID on your outermost garment and visible (like you're supposed to anyway)

But, alas, some people arrive at the checkpoint absolutely bewildered and shocked that the inconvenience of scanning a card, having your passport READY and having your ID properly displayed is simply preposterous. HOW DARE THEY! :)

Well, there's always the X-ray and metal detector...
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The best was watching someone go through that was annoyed that their wasn't a TSA agent at the post. So 3 minutes later one shows, the individual chews him out for not being there and being late to their flight. Then when it was their turn, proceeds to dig to the depths of the deepest bag for the, surprise, passport. More time wasted on complaining about lack of TSA then taking a sec to make sure they were prepared.
 
scooter2525 said:
The best was watching someone go through that was annoyed that their wasn't a TSA agent at the post. So 3 minutes later one shows, the individual chews him out for not being there and being late to their flight. Then when it was their turn, proceeds to dig to the depths of the deepest bag for the, surprise, passport. More time wasted on complaining about lack of TSA then taking a sec to make sure they were prepared.
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If he approached it as "No one owes me anything" and "I have options", he could have easily slid through the pre-check line in seconds most likely.

Should the guy have been there, sure. But that person was about to go fly a magical jet, in the sky! With a toilet, in the air! And beverages!
 
Derg said:
If he approached it as "No one owes me anything" and "I have options", he could have easily slid through the pre-check line in seconds most likely.

Should the guy have been there, sure. But that person was about to go fly a magical jet, in the sky! With a toilet, in the air! And beverages!
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Your making some assumptions here.
 
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