Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Should that not be the end goal?
AA hiring rate and Envoy flow rant
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Should that not be the end goal?
jynxyjoe
Queso King
You spent a few minutes of your career at XJT, then accepted a better paying job at Cape Air if memory serves? Cape air wasn't a regional last I saw, just a code shared with jetBlue.
If wishes were fishes we'd all cast nets. I'm all for a NSL.
Anyway I'm just out (fresh out) of the regional world and a union volunteer too, so I live in the real world and it's complexities. It'd be nice if everyone in a regional got something for their trouble, but I could spend all day talking about how unfair the world is. If a regional doesn't work for you, leave. I made 60k (I include the perdiem so mid 50's without) by picking up open time and that was about 16 days of work a month when I was an FO on an Mesaba RJ. Got married, had a great QOL compared to what I would have had other places that offered jobs (timing) and when the place hit the skids I got out. If I got burned out I bid last out reserve and spent the whole month at home (lived in base). Maybe I had it too good for too long, but it's over now. Regionals can be a great experience if you have luck and good timing.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
I was furloughed from XJT, then went to Cape. Cape is a commuter/regional, but with the benefit of owning its own lift. Anyway, that's beside the point.
Glad Mesaba worked out for you, and best of luck moving forward with wherever you're at now. I just know a lot of PO'd regional pilots who've gotten the shaft for years, and it's not right.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Sure. So should world peace. Let me know how that works out.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
When you say regional you refer to the distance not to providing lift for a mainline "partner"?
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Easy killer.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Yeah, because you interacted with the NWALPA guys you feel you can say that, but from the conversations I've had in the last four years, and remember, this is just about every other trip, I have to say you are wrong.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
The doors shut on a NSL long ago. And the super senior ones like Les Abend, who were hired at a legacy at 26, served 1 year as a flight engineer, 4 years as a FO, and then upgraded at 32 want no part in any NSL. Hell, it was funny reading Les Abend's "merger musings" article. The guy will have a coronary if he loses any seniority. In another article the question he asked was "since when did my profession become a second job?" in which he talked about how one of his 757/767 FOs had a side business that was supplementing the FO salary, and Les was confused. For a guy who upgraded at 32 and has spent the last 20 years as a CA, he apparently has a hard time grasping that at the time, AA had 20 year seniority FOs.
There is too much:
1. Greed
2. Disconnect
3. More greed
4. Lack of unity
To ever have a national seniority list or even a national longevity list.
There is too much:
1. Greed
2. Disconnect
3. More greed
4. Lack of unity
To ever have a national seniority list or even a national longevity list.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
The only way it would work would be to assign every new hire STARTING TODAY a number on the list. Everybody above is already grandfathered in and those numbers wouldn't mean anything until the last guy flying that didn't have a number retires. Still a pipe dream though.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
The end goal is to put each and every one of us into a jet with a widget (Death Star, etc.) on the tail and a matching widget on the paycheck.
Or at least it should be.
PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
So should we just get rid of interviews? That's the logical conclusion of your premise.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
For a mainline job? Absolutely. The regional job is the interview. Flow everyone up.
PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
I would be fine with that if the regionals were given more authority to fire bad apples. I know you're a unionista, but there ARE bad apples.
If the bad apples are weeded out during their 5 year regional "interview," then yeah I agree with you.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Management has immense authority to fire bad apples. They're just too incompetent to use it.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
We should buy you mustache wax for Christmas, huh? I bet @Rocketman99 can find you some in Greenpoint...
Trip7
Well-Known Member
National Seniority List? Are we going to talk about unicorns next?
@ATN_Pilot is my boy, but three things we'll always disagree on is iPhone vs Android, Airline stocks, and Lee Moak. I strongly believe Lee Moak is one of the best if not the best President in the history of ALPA.
Scope Choke, KCM, and Deny NAI were epic, Epic victories. One just has to go look at Concourse C in ATL and Delta's current hiring rate to realize the impact of Moak's vision.
@ATN_Pilot is my boy, but three things we'll always disagree on is iPhone vs Android, Airline stocks, and Lee Moak. I strongly believe Lee Moak is one of the best if not the best President in the history of ALPA.
Scope Choke, KCM, and Deny NAI were epic, Epic victories. One just has to go look at Concourse C in ATL and Delta's current hiring rate to realize the impact of Moak's vision.
Trip7
Well-Known Member
South guys will too if it means getting you home at night... not that you'd know that Atlanta boy!
South guys are good guys. They just have a culture I want no part of.
It's shameful how much different I am treated in the same cockpit flying something that says Boeing on the side instead of Bombardier. Jesus Christ I used to fly their passengers for years and make them money. I didn't fill their pockets full of "'dat cheddar" but good lord I do NOTHING for them now.
Someday it'll be old news. It's still so weird to me and foreign. Especially when every once in a while it's a NWA guy who likes to remember the good old days of the Avro and the Saab and the Delta guy tries not to yack up his salad. It's just a weird weird culture to me. Outsider, and I know dick about dick. It was probably all comair's fault I guess, maybe it still is.
Shameful how different you are treated? How's that?
I was treated with Southern Hospitality when I jumped seated on Southernjets as a CRJ pilot and now am treated with the same Southern hospitality as a fellow crewmember.
Along with the "they don't wave back at me in the terminal" I think these are false perceptions ingrained in one's head after reading countless Internet musing about a particular pilot group.
