Shortage! Wages! It's really happening this time! - The Atlantic

Mr. James must not understand the difference between the NLRA and RLA. Under the RLA, contracts don't expire, they become amendable.

Edgar James, a labor attorney with James & Hoffman, specializes in the issues currently bedeviling the airline industry. Advocates like he and Roghair are limited by the fact that pilots can engage in collective bargaining with the airlines but are unable to strike by law.

“The result are negotiations [like those] the pilots had with American Eagle,” James said. “They asked the pilots to take concessions instead of offering any kind of increase. The pilots refused. You end up with pilots working without a collective bargaining agreement.”
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Interesting read.

This topic has been dead horsed on this forum a plethora of times.

Me personally, I don't get SJS flare ups as often as I used to.
 
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FedUp said:
...............doom, gloom, negativity, bitterness, regret, calamity, despair, failure, throw in the towel, misery..................
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FedUp said:
That cat is awesome. What's the mins to be a cat? Looks like his QOL is great!
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What's it like to post nothing that is positive or helpful on a forum for pilots? What's it like to never answer the questions that have been asked of you multiple times from multiple members? What's it like to continue spread your special brand of failure and misery? What's it like to spend your days posting telling everyone to quit while you're behind on a forum which is trying to encourage, mentor and provide network opportunities for young pilots that you have no intention of ever availing yourself of?

FedUp said:
Here's a pro tip. Quit thinking of flying for a living. Flying for a living is an absolutely idiotic choice nowadays.
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FedUp said:
Flying for a living is nothing short of a moronic choice.
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Then why are you here? Do you even have a job as a pilot? I am pretty sure I know that answer to that question at least.
 
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FedUp said:
Because I wish when I was starting out someone had showed me the actual reality instead of shiny brochures and promises of hiring boom on the horizon.

If I could do it over knowing what I know now, I would have just been a rich finance jerk or real estate or something and bought a plane for fun.
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The reality is, is that you really aren't helping anyone. There are a plethora of reality checks and sound advice given by the members here without all the negativity, bitterness and hostility that you exude in every post. Why aren't you out working towards another goal/career path if you failed at/became disillusioned with aviation or are that miserable then, instead of doing nothing but stirring the pot around these parts?

Some people live in their reality and accept it. They work and endure to climb further up the hill. Along the way even with all the issues, they learn, grow and enjoy the journey. They make contacts. They stay focused and persevere. They are also flexible and realize that circumstances change and they seek out opportunities along the way. Not everyone is cut out for that or has the fortitude to succeed. It's not a crime, it's a fact and that's okay. But to keep discouraging everyone with the statements such as continue to make on here is not a benefit to anyone who may be struggling or questioning themselves. Calling aspiring pilots idiots, suckers, morons, fools and telling them to quit and give up, and constantly discouraging people isn't what this place is about.

Life is no picnic. So what? Get over yourself. If you can't give someone some realistic, yet positive and helpful advice besides telling pilots they will never make any decent money (which is total b.s.) or that they should just go find something else to do and they are wasting their time, then why bother? We get it. It hasn't worked out for you and you're obviously miserable. But that's your issue to deal with.
 
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Why are you so concerned with shunning the voice of dissent?

I assure you JC does not consume so much of my time as to preclude other pursuits. Thanks for your concern!


A Life Aloft said:
The reality is, is that you really aren't helping anyone. There are a plethora of reality checks and sound advice given by the members here without all the negativity, bitterness and hostility that you exude in every post. Why aren't you out working towards another goal/career path if you failed at/became disillusioned with aviation or are that miserable then, instead of doing nothing but stirring the pot around these parts?
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FedUp said:
Because I wish when I was starting out someone had showed me the actual reality instead of shiny brochures and promises of hiring boom on the horizon.

If I could do it over knowing what I know now, I would have just been a rich finance jerk or real estate or something and bought a plane for fun.
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Its never to late to bail out and find another career if you dont like it. By now, you should have at least some perspective on where its going. Im seeing folks I know getting hired by the majors left an right. Yes, pay might suck for a few years at the regionals but I think right now is a pretty good example of where it can lead. Every major is hiring at the moment and those who have made good networks here on JC or elsewhere are picking up class dates.

Hate to tell you but just about every successful real estate agent or financial "jerk" is successful because they built a solid network.
 
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FedUp said:
Why are you so concerned with shunning the voice of dissent?

I assure you JC does not consume so much of my time as to preclude other pursuits. Thanks for your concern!
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Because you are accomplishing nothing on here except to reinforce your personal anguish and failure in public. You don't ask for advice, you don't share, you don't answer direct questions which have been put to you, you are not interested in net working, you really don't care to take the time to see/recognize any other perspective except your own, you just want to beat the gloom and doom drum. It's pointless. You've never made one positive, funny, interesting or happy post since you joined. Your attitude is awful. I haven't seen you bother to encourage anyone about anything. This place is about support, milestones, opportunities, getting answers, not tearing down, being negative 24/7 and discouraging everyone. For some reason, you refuse to get that.

Most people have issues, failures, problems and get down from time to time. With you, it appears to be a lifestyle. Members have posted their issues and did so in a way to actually seek help and advice, which they get. Your advice for everyone is always the same - call them losers, suckers, idiots, morons and telling them they should quit. Good grief. You seriously think this is helping anyone except yourself in allowing you to vent/spew all this crapola?

While you are busy doing this, people here are getting upgrades, getting actual useful advice, new jobs, new types, gaining more experience, learning, progressing, getting questions answered, growing, working, making decent decisions, looking at their options, making plans, learning to cope, making friends and contacts, availing themselves of potential opportunities, enjoying themselves for the most part and having a life. You might want to give that a shot sometime.
 
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Pachong said:
Exaggerated. I don't bitch about pay cuz first year FO was sure a hell of a lot better than my last year as a CFI. Oh, and I actually get benefits and days off. Something's going on in Santa Monica....shhhhh the airlines will hear you! GHEY.
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I know someone who was making 6 figures as a CFI before going to Skywest, you know that pay cut sucked. That said, now he actually has time off, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
 
FedUp said:
Because I wish when I was starting out someone had showed me the actual reality instead of shiny brochures and promises of hiring boom on the horizon.

If I could do it over knowing what I know now, I would have just been a rich finance jerk or real estate or something and bought a plane for fun.
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Sounds like you were fed bad info, and bit on it. For that I say I'm sorry. I was given plenty of brochures when I was just starting out, and they all had pictures of gold epaulettes, big shiny jets, pilots with big smiles on their face, and the promise of money and a good time, but I didn't bite on those fake promises. I don't know what your situation is, but I know I made sure to prepare myself for the worst, while hoping and striving for the best. So far I've enjoyed my ride, but I've only been doing this for less than a decade professionally.

I had plenty of older, and some would say wiser, pilots tell me to quit because it's not worth it. Well, I can say one thing; I would never tell an aspiring pilot to give up and find something else to do. I know my dream as a kid was to be a pilot, and if flying is their dream, and they were anything like me, nothing is going to sway them to another career. Instead of telling them how sucky it is, I'm going to try and motivate them. Not with shiny brochures and fake promises, but with a little bit of reality.

It's a hard road, but hopefully on the day I retire I'll be able to look back and say it was worth it. If not, I'm sure it'll be an interesting ride either way.
 
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