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[desertdog71]

Baldwin is just a coach yelling at you to get you motivated. Nothing more or less.

 

[Deleted member 27505]

Fair enough.
It changes nothing about reality. Victim or victor, motivated or bitter, whine or work to change it. All choices.

Beware of victims. The most harshly abused victims oft' become the worst abusers.

 

[Deleted member 27505]

Baldwin is just a coach yelling at you to get you motivated. Nothing more or less.

Perhaps, but the question you seem to be failing to ask is: "What is he coaching?"
Well, there are other questions, too. But that's the most salient.

 

[desertdog71]

I'll boil it down for you. The person in question, doesn't like the industry and feels it pays crappy. He also feels like he wasn't sufficiently warned about certain realities of the industry. Fair enough.

How is he handling it? He blames others in the industry and those wanting to get in for his misery. He is playing the victim and shifting blame off himself for his poor choice. My response is that until he is willing to accept responsibility for his choices and work towards a solution, I'm not really interested in what he has to say. Improve yourself, improve the business, do something besides cry about it.

He's not here to help anybody but himself by trolling the forums, bashing the industry and the people in it. I guess it makes him feels good.

 

[Deleted member 27505]

I'll boil it down for you. The person in question, doesn't like the industry and feels it pays crappy. He also feels like he wasn't sufficiently warned about certain realities of the industry. Fair enough.

How is he handling it? He blames others in the industry and those wanting to get in for his misery. He is playing the victim and shifting blame off himself for his poor choice. My response is that until he is willing to accept responsibility for his choices and work towards a solution, I'm not really interested in what he has to say. Improve yourself, improve the business, do something besides cry about it.

He's not here to help anybody but himself by trolling the forums, bashing the industry and the people in it. I guess it makes him feels good.

Got that. Agree, whining sucks.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I'll boil it down for you. The person in question, doesn't like the industry and feels it pays crappy. He also feels like he wasn't sufficiently warned about certain realities of the industry. Fair enough.

How is he handling it? He blames others in the industry and those wanting to get in for his misery. He is playing the victim and shifting blame off himself for his poor choice. My response is that until he is willing to accept responsibility for his choices and work towards a solution, I'm not really interested in what he has to say. Improve yourself, improve the business, do something besides cry about it.

He's not here to help anybody but himself by trolling the forums, bashing the industry and the people in it. I guess it makes him feels good.

I think pointing out the negative aspects of the business is beneficial for everyone.

 

[desertdog71]

I think pointing out the negative aspects of the business is beneficial for everyone.

If that is what he was doing, I wouldn't be having this discussion. He is blaming you, me and those to come for his lot in life. Homie don't play that.

 

[gliderboy]

"The central belief of every moron is that he is a victim of a vast conspiracy against his common rights and true deserts. He ascribes all his failure to get on in the world, all of his congenital incapacity and damfoolishness, to the machinations of werewolves assembled in Wall Street, or some other such den of infamy." H.L. Mencken

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

If that is what he was doing, I wouldn't be having this discussion. He is blaming you, me and those to come for his lot in life. Homie don't play that.

I haven't read enough of his posts to know. I didn't see that from skimming his posts in this thread, though.

 

[tonyw]

Now, that said, I do agree that misery is most often a choice.

There's a story I've heard attributed to a Native American tribe. I don't know whether it's true or not, but here it is.

An farmer is working his field, and a traveler comes by. He stops and asks the farmer for directions to the city he's heading towards. The farmer gives him the directions, and then the traveler asks, hey, what are the people like there.

The farmer pauses, and replies, where are you coming from? What did you think of the people there?

The traveler replies that he thought the people were great people and he's sorry to have left them, but the opportunity in the new city is just too good to turn down.

The farmer replies, I think you'll find the people in your new city will be the same.

Later that day, another traveler comes by. He does the same thing, and the farmer gives him directions. Then he asks the same question about what the people are like in the city he's heading to.

The farmer replies with the same series of questions as for the first traveler. But this time, the traveler goes off on a rant about how horrible the people were in his old city and how he's so happy to be rid of them.

The farmer tells this traveler, I'm afraid you'll find the people in your new city will be the same.

 

[🦈💜]

Nobody is denying his freedom to say whatever.

I don't sense that you truly understood the the movie at all. That's to be expected though. Bitterness or motivation is a choice, so when mean old Alec Baldwin yells at you (doing a work on you aka coaches yelling) you have to make a choice. Take it personal, or get fired up. Why is Al Pachino not there? because he is out selling. Not hanging around the crew room complaining (funny how that works).

Between the two of you, I know whose interpretation of the movie resembles my own.

-Fox

 

[ItsAFunZone]

There's a story I've heard attributed to a Native American tribe. I don't know whether it's true or not, but here it is.

An farmer is working his field, and a traveler comes by. He stops and asks the farmer for directions to the city he's heading towards. The farmer gives him the directions, and then the traveler asks, hey, what are the people like there.

The farmer pauses, and replies, where are you coming from? What did you think of the people there?

The traveler replies that he thought the people were great people and he's sorry to have left them, but the opportunity in the new city is just too good to turn down.

The farmer replies, I think you'll find the people in your new city will be the same.

Later that day, another traveler comes by. He does the same thing, and the farmer gives him directions. Then he asks the same question about what the people are like in the city he's heading to.

The farmer replies with the same series of questions as for the first traveler. But this time, the traveler goes off on a rant about how horrible the people were in his old city and how he's so happy to be rid of them.

The farmer tells this traveler, I'm afraid you'll find the people in your new city will be the same.

"Wherever you go, there you are"

You can't escape your flaws by simply changing geography, you have to change your outlook first