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ross9238

ross9238

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I am at a loss for words as to what is going on with the jcba and in all honesty, do not know what or who to believe anymore. Clearly, we were in unity with voting down the TA that was offered. We as a pilot group stood together to make improvements for us as well as for those that might come after. We should now try to work together to achieve the goal to get a TA that can be accepted by the group. Instead, once again there is more division than unity.
 
Yup.

I think it's a lot like our government right now. Most of the constituency isn't crazy, but somehow we managed to get the crazies into office calling the shots.
 
ross9238 said:
I am at a loss for words as to what is going on with the jcba and in all honesty, do not know what or who to believe anymore. Clearly, we were in unity with voting down the TA that was offered. We as a pilot group stood together to make improvements for us as well as for those that might come after. We should now try to work together to achieve the goal to get a TA that can be accepted by the group. Instead, once again there is more division than unity.
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We do need to stick together.

Unfortunately there are still some hard lines being drawn on both sides.

The problem is that management says they are no longer entertaining a consessionary contact but still want it to be cost neutral to them.

There are only two ways to make that happen. They can have essentially two contracts in one or they can make an averaged contract.

The former provides no improvements or concessions for either side. The latter provides improvements for the CRJ guys but the ERJ guys would have to take concessions.

I wouldn't blame the ASA MEC for going for the averaged contract since that is their job to get the best for their pilots. The problem is that it would cause a rift in the pilot group as a whole.

In the end the restart of the JCBA process has barely begun and the rumors and such flying around likely have no foundation. There has only been one meeting with the NMB and management since the process started over. Another meeting is scheduled at the end of the month.
 
Maurus said:
The problem is that management says they are no longer entertaining a consessionary contact but still want it to be cost neutral to them.

There are only two ways to make that happen. They can have essentially two contracts in one or they can make an averaged contract.

The former provides no improvements or concessions for either side. The latter provides improvements for the CRJ guys but the ERJ guys would have to take concessions.

I wouldn't blame the ASA MEC for going for the averaged contract since that is their job to get the best for their pilots. .
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So by that logic is it safe to assume you wouldn't blame the XJT MEC for going for two contracts in one since that is their job to get the best for their pilots?
 
PenniesInMyLoafers said:
So by that logic is it safe to assume you wouldn't blame the XJT MEC for going for two contracts in one since that is their job to get the best for their pilots?
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I wouldn't. If the MEC isn't doing what they can to get the best for their pilots then they are likely not doing their job. There are limitations to what they can do but I can not fault them for trying to get the best TA out for their pilots.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
There's a difference in "getting the best TA possible" and being completely unrealistic.
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What you said makes no sense. It is very realistic to get the best TA "possible". The word "possible" implies all factors are considered and evaluated.

They sure could ask for $200k first year pay but it definitely is not possible due to obvious economic reasons. Being told that the contract has to be cost neutral just sets a limit on what is "possible".
 
Maurus said:
What you said makes no sense. It is very realistic to get the best TA "possible". The word "possible" implies all factors are considered and evaluated.

They sure could ask for $200k first year pay but it definitely is not possible due to obvious economic reasons. Being told that the contract has to be cost neutral just sets a limit on what is "possible".
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I've read recent posts on XJT.com. There's certainly a disconnect between what's possible and what *some* seem to expect. That's what I meant. Some are completely unrealistic, and would prefer to burn it down. I find that immature and inconsiderate to those whose lives depend on the company's continued existence.

Would I have voted no to the last contract? Most likely, but now the three sides need to come together, understand the limitations of the FFD industry, and hammer out an agreement.
 
Just saw the ASA MEC letter. Seems the goal was more to split the group rather than to help.
 
Maurus said:
To be honest I don't think most CRJ guys will buy into that letter either.
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Why do you say that? The letter stated that the ERJ side refuses to accept that the company is struggling financially and that they won't entertain the idea of flightline pbs. All of this is pretty verifiable on any web board.
 
No one on the aviation Internet ever voted for a TA or was ever going to vote yes but most of then pass.

Then I realized that people act in their best interests. They'll talk a good game when they're amongst people who share a predominate angle on something and then, when out of the group, do whatever.
 
I know were not struggling. SKYW has plenty to pony up. They probably purchased us like TSA purchased Compass, for another cheap way to whipsaw (along with all those CAL routes) Well I for one being a pro unity airline know we can have much more. Skywest is not cool with our pilot group getting better pay/QOL than SKYW. well tough! If skywest isn't gunna pony up sell us back to united! Maybe they can realize pilots NEED a union. I'm a NO voter until we get Air Wiskey + 1. They have deep pockets. Let them bleed until they tell united to pay inc. more.
 
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