Welcome to XJT: The New America West/US Airways

Bama said:
I don't think the stalling and dragging of feet has anything to do with pbs and more to do with hitting Skywest where it hurts.. This is all about wanting one list or nothing and to hell with the collateral damage of the ASA pilots.
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The collateral damage will be to the entire company, not just ASA pilots. YOU will lose your job, as will everyone else. People who need that job to feed their families. All for what, so you can throw a temper tantrum like my 2 year old daughter?

Don't get me wrong, the merger was screwed up royally, and IMHO never should've happened, but everybody needs to come together now and look for a solution. Don't be a child. Work together and get the best TA possible.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
The collateral damage will be to the entire company, not just ASA pilots. YOU will lose your job, as will everyone else. People who need that job to feed their families. All for what, so you can throw a temper tantrum like my 2 year old daughter?

Don't get me wrong, the merger was screwed up royally, and IMHO never should've happened, but everybody needs to come together now and look for a solution. Don't be a child. Work together and get the best TA possible.
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Right now it's in the hands of the MEC's and they couldn't be further from agreement. One side refuses to even negotiate.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Don't get me wrong, the merger was screwed up royally, and IMHO never should've happened, but everybody needs to come together now and look for a solution. Don't be a child. Work together and get the best TA possible.
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What if the best TA for the XJT guys is the one they already have?
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
The collateral damage will be to the entire company, not just ASA pilots. YOU will lose your job, as will everyone else. People who need that job to feed their families. All for what, so you can throw a temper tantrum like my 2 year old daughter?

Don't get me wrong, the merger was screwed up royally, and IMHO never should've happened, but everybody needs to come together now and look for a solution. Don't be a child. Work together and get the best TA possible.
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My vision of where that side of the ship is going is a bunch of parked airplanes. I do not like it. I do not like it one bit. But that's what I see happening.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
The collateral damage will be to the entire company, not just ASA pilots. YOU will lose your job, as will everyone else. People who need that job to feed their families. All for what, so you can throw a temper tantrum like my 2 year old daughter?

Don't get me wrong, the merger was screwed up royally, and IMHO never should've happened, but everybody needs to come together now and look for a solution. Don't be a child. Work together and get the best TA possible.
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This. So much anger these days. I don't know what it's like on the CRJ side, but on the ERJ side there's a lot of "burn the place down" mentality. I don't think anyone wants to make XJT work so they do whatever they can to make the death of the airline longer and more painful. It's really annoying and I can't wait to be done with it... And I'm *hopefully* making a lateral move soon to get away from all the negativity and BS.
 
For any pilot to think that SkyWest inc. will continue to bankroll this dance party would be extremely naive and a belief I can not support.

Performance performance performance. The burn it down mentality will not help you or your fellow pilots, or your fellow employee groups.

I see a future for this company but it will be much different than it is now. That said, there will be no future if both pilot groups begin to subscribe to a burn it down philosophy. Either both can come to higher ground or one can remain there or no one survives.

Back to enjoying St. Simons Island in peace. You, the free self-appointed leaders of the pilot internet kingdom, have a tough road ahead - travel wisely.
 
WestIndian425 said:
Same union, two MECs, and one side refuses to negotiate? Am I understanding this correctly?
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This is probably the single most important point in the entire thread.

Understand that ALPA National has failed utterly and completely in this situation. There never should have been any public debate. However, ALPA merger policy is still the failure that it was 10 years ago when Cactus and AAA merged. The only thing that pulled both the Delta/Northwest and United/CAL mergers through was that the pilots understood (mostly) that amount of money they were losing by NOT getting things moving forward. For the ASA/ExpressJet guys that money just isn't there AND for many of them the current gig is nothing more than a stop on the road to their DreamJob®.
 
BobDDuck said:
This is probably the single most important point in the entire thread.

Understand that ALPA National has failed utterly and completely in this situation. There never should have been any public debate. However, ALPA merger policy is still the failure that it was 10 years ago when Cactus and AAA merged. The only thing that pulled both the Delta/Northwest and United/CAL mergers through was that the pilots understood (mostly) that amount of money they were losing by NOT getting things moving forward. For the ASA/ExpressJet guys that money just isn't there AND for many of them the current gig is nothing more than a stop on the road to their DreamJob®.
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Merger Policy isn't the problem. A lack of willingness on the part of certain "leaders" to step up and do something is the heart of the problem.
 
BobDDuck said:
This is probably the single most important point in the entire thread.

Understand that ALPA National has failed utterly and completely in this situation. There never should have been any public debate. However, ALPA merger policy is still the failure that it was 10 years ago when Cactus and AAA merged. The only thing that pulled both the Delta/Northwest and United/CAL mergers through was that the pilots understood (mostly) that amount of money they were losing by NOT getting things moving forward. For the ASA/ExpressJet guys that money just isn't there AND for many of them the current gig is nothing more than a stop on the road to their DreamJob®.
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There seriously needs to be a "Hey kids" clause when this stuff happens that National could use get everything on track.
 
Maurus said:
The seriously needs to be a "Hey kids" clause when this stuff happens that National could use.
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You don't need a special clause. You just need real leaders in place. There was a time when the ALPA President would make sure you knew when you were screwing up. And it wouldn't be said nicely. But those days have been gone for a while now, and a lot of the reason is because pilot leaders didn't like it when someone had the balls to tell them that they didn't have the slightest clue what they were doing. So they kicked out the real leaders and replaced them with people who would tell them what they wanted to hear. You see the results.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Merger Policy isn't the problem. A lack of willingness on the part of certain "leaders" to step up and do something is the heart of the problem.
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That's true. I guess I should have said that the current ALPA merger policy requires a national level of leadership that is willing to set a timer and then go get their hands dirty once it expires and nothing has happened.
 
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