More Airbus A321s for Delta

H46Bubba

H46Bubba

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Looks like Southernjets is ordering an additional 15 A321 aircraft to enter service in 2018. That will make a total of 45 A321s on order.

Delta to buy 15 A321 aircraft to replace retiring planes
Carla Caldwell, Morning Edition Editor
Delta Air Lines Inc. has reached an agreement with Airbus to purchase 15 A321 aircraft for delivery beginning in 2018. The A321s will replace similar, less-efficient domestic aircraft that are being retired from Delta's fleet, Delta said.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/...buy-15-a321-aircraft-to-replace-retiring.html
 
BobDDuck said:
Not if they are CEOs.

Why are they doing that? The neos will be out by 2018. Seems kind of silly to get an airplane that is something like 18% less effective.
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The advantage is that the CEOs are so much cheaper. Thats why they bought the 900ERs the way they did, and are doing similar with the 321s. The aircraft are all refined, and the line has paid for itself years ago, so the discount on the thing is just staggering.

These aircraft are capacity replacements for some more of the domestic 767s leaving the fleet...15 for 10.

As a side note, there were interesting comments on how much better Airbus customer service is than Boeing. The higher ups seem very frustrated with Boeing, the way they are run, and their offerings. There appears to be a keen interest in the 330NEO, too.
 
BobDDuck said:
Not if they are CEOs.

Why are they doing that? The neos will be out by 2018. Seems kind of silly to get an airplane that is something like 18% less effective.
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Hence the "sarcastic air quotes."

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Also, the best kind of airplane is one that is either paid for and proven, or one that is cheap to acquire and proven. Exhibit:
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Is the 321 a "757 Replacement"? No.
Is it a hot rod in any way, shape or form? Absolutely not.
Will it move 187 across the country for half the fuel burn of a 757? Yes it will.

And that right there is what management sees. For the mission that we (US Airways) use the aircraft for, it's suited just fine. It handles the transcons just fine and is perfect for high density markets, such as MCO.

Personally, I find it quite comfortable inside. The sides are wider than a Boeing and the cabin seems roomier. I'd much rather be in one than the mighty 737.
 
ERfly said:
Is the 321 a "757 Replacement"? No.
Is it a hot rod in any way, shape or form? Absolutely not.
Will it move 187 across the country for half the fuel burn of a 757? Yes it will.

And that right there is what management sees. For the mission that we (US Airways) use the aircraft for, it's suited just fine. It handles the transcons just fine and is perfect for high density markets, such as MCO.

Personally, I find it quite comfortable inside. The sides are wider than a Boeing and the cabin seems roomier. I'd much rather be in one than the mighty 737.
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Aside from the obvious (N1 vs EPR and start times), any noticeable differences between the CFM and IAE engines? I'm only familiar with the IAE...The IAE at least seems very similar between the 320/321 aside from the higher output.
 
Baronman said:
Aside from the obvious (N1 vs EPR and start times), any noticeable differences between the CFM and IAE engines? I'm only familiar with the IAE...The IAE at least seems very similar between the 320/321 aside from the higher output.
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I want to say that the IAEs have a little more thrust. They don't feel like they want to fall out of the sky when you come back to CLB when you're heavy. They also seem a little quieter. I've heard that the IAEs are the more efficient option for the 321 and the CFMs are better for the 319 (hence the mixed fleet that AA is ordering).
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
The A1s start just as quick as the A3. :) Just huff and puff a lot more on takeoff. Climb thrust between the A1 and A3 are the same.
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Not an IAE A1. We have V2500-A1s and -A5s on the West airplanes and CFM-56s on the East. I had an A1 the other night in PHX and it motored for 55 seconds before fuel was introduced. I have never seen that before, even with the slow start of IAEs.

I do believe it will get anti-single-engine taxi guys to conform, if for no other reason than we need to get out of the way.
 
ERfly said:
Not an IAE A1. We have V2500-A1s and -A5s on the West airplanes and CFM-56s on the East. I had an A1 the other night in PHX and it motored for 55 seconds before fuel was introduced. I have never seen that before, even with the slow start of IAEs.

I do believe it will get anti-single-engine taxi guys to conform, if for no other reason than we need to get out of the way.
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:eek: Good grief. What's the starter limit like on that? (if it matters)

When I deadheaded on a United A319 the other day, it did seem to be that engine start took forever - not sure how they're equipped over there as I have my own problems to fuss about, but it did seem that the cranking took a long time.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
:eek: Good grief. What's the starter limit like on that? (if it matters)

When I deadheaded on a United A319 the other day, it did seem to be that engine start took forever - not sure how they're equipped over there as I have my own problems to fuss about, but it did seem that the cranking took a long time.
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Don't think it matters with Autostart. IAEs (which is what United has) typically take a while to start. Our IAE 321s take a while. I think it's the Pratt & Whitney side of things that does it.

Our A1 320s are OLD! These were the airplanes ordered by Pan Am in 1984 and when they didn't take delivery, they went to Braniff in 1989. Our oldest one is serial number 52. I believe they're being retired this year.
 
ERfly said:
Don't think it matters with Autostart. IAEs (which is what United has) typically take a while to start. Our IAE 321s take a while. I think it's the Pratt & Whitney side of things that does it.

Our A1 320s are OLD! These were the airplanes ordered by Pan Am in 1984 and when they didn't take delivery, they went to Braniff in 1989. Our oldest one is serial number 52. I believe they're being retired this year.
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How ya liking the "CB" radio on the west airplanes?
 
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