Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

[SeanD]

Another piece I havent seen yet....

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-first-officer/

FO was transitioning to the 777......

On a side note the FO had 2700+ hours....Is that a typical number for the bigger a/c (if there is a typical number) in that part of the world...? In no way saying that had anything to do with it....

He was hired in 2008. He must have only had a few hundred hours when he was first hired. I think the airline has their own flight academy.

 

[derg]

They show ZZZ in the data tag here (terminal environment) and it sits in the exact spot where the computer lost them. Had a certain B767 Z out and go NORDO, a few weeks back, while on base to final in triple visual approaches. Thankfully, I saw his primary only target and he went back to the last assigned frequency who turned him to join the localizer before he conflicted with traffic on adjacent finals. His transponder/ data tag didn't reacquire until he was at the FAF.

It rarely happens that we lose an aircraft on radar or even lose their data tag on fusion, but it does happen.

Thanks a million for the info. Much appreciated!

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Source....? Only asking as I havent seen that yet...That would be an interesting twist...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...airlines-jet-had-ground-collision-2012-n47706


IF this repair was done with ANY deviation from the Boeing Structural Repair Manual, then it could be another China 611..............

 

[derg]

@womanpilot73 - as a dispatcher, we start missing position reports, at what point do you start asking questions?

 

[inigo88]

We just have SAT and VHF for ACARS.

Using HF for ACARS probably goes a lot like a 110 baud modem with an acoustic coupler, eh? Hayes compatible?


(95% of our users have no clue what I just said)

The one I'm familiar with, called HFDL, is actually 1800 baud Phase Shift Keying. Still not terribly fast, but each ACARS message is pretty tiny, and digital telemetry is surprisingly resilient at cutting through the crappy static on HF (either thru forward error correction, or at least being able to detect and throw out bad decodes, can't remember which).

There's actually an entire community of ham radio types that run software which decodes and logs the messages:

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/HFDL

And that's my /a.net post of the day.

 

[SeanD]

How come the oil slick images look more like mud than oil and does a 777 even carry that much oil in the engines?

 

[Patrick]

How come the oil slick images look more like mud than oil and does a 777 even carry that much oil in the engines?

If there were to be any "oil slick" from a crash, it's not from engine oil (or hydraulic fluid), but from the fuel itself.

 

[Minuteman]

How come the oil slick images look more like mud than oil and does a 777 even carry that much oil in the engines?

At the time of the disappearance a 777 would have had about 13,000 gallons of fuel onboard (80,000 lbs).

 

[n57flyguy]

NY Times reporting possibility of foul play due to the passport issue. Not considered any relation to terrorism at this time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

 

[jgheggie]

How come the oil slick images look more like mud than oil and does a 777 even carry that much oil in the engines?

Doesn't oil and water make a mud like color? At least it does when you have a blown head gasket on a car and have water in your oil.

Unrelated...just a thought

 

[SeanD]

Doesn't oil and water make a mud like color? At least it does when you have a blown head gasket on a car and have water in your oil.

Unrelated...just a thought

Yeah but jet fuel usually shows a red color in water.

 

[I_Money]

I think it's very odd two people were reported Iain the flight only to find they were alive and passports stolen.

 

[BeReal]

Impacting over 450 knots, with hours before daylight? Just a theory

I'm a DXer, not an engineer, but that would have to be a gold medal type dive for the fuselage not to break apart on impact at that speed. All the other water impacts I can recall, US Air 1539 notwithstanding, have been located by the floating debris.

 

[Cazadores]

I think it's very odd two people were reported Iain the flight only to find they were alive and passports stolen.

Yeah, very odd. Overly coincidental.

 

[MikeD]

Yeah, very odd. Overly coincidental.

Like I said, a lead worth following; but without more information or linking information, it's just a petty crime for now.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...airlines-jet-had-ground-collision-2012-n47706


IF this repair was done with ANY deviation from the Boeing Structural Repair Manual, then it could be another China 611..............

I'm not an expert, but I don't think there is enough missing to render it unflyable if it were to fail at the same point.

 

[EIR]

This is getting interesting.

 

[Vector4Food]

I'm a DXer, not an engineer, but that would have to be a gold medal type dive for the fuselage not to break apart on impact at that speed. All the other water impacts I can recall, US Air 1539 notwithstanding, have been located by the floating debris.

Im speaking more about the complete destruction of the fuselage.

United on 9/11, impact at high enough speed, even in an open field (or water) and the pieces left behind will be extremely small.

 

[BeReal]

Im speaking more about the complete destruction of the fuselage.

United on 9/11, impact at high enough speed, even in an open field (or water) and the pieces left behind will be extremely small.

That makes more sense. Still believe there would be pieces of seat cushions and other things that float if the oil slick(s) were from a crash. I hope we find out sooner than later!

 

[Minuteman]

http://avherald.com/h?article=4703db82

Probably unrelated, but I had not heard of this incident of multiple lavatory fires on an Etihad flight between Melbourne and Abu Dhabi recently.

Wednesday, Feb 19th 2014

An Etihad Boeing 777-300, registration A6-ETM performing flight EY-461 from Melbourne,VI (Australia) to Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), was enroute over the Indian Ocean west of Australia when the fire detectors in a lavatory in economy class triggered alarm. Smoke and flames were visible from a bin in the lavatory, cabin crew quickly extinguished and contained the small fire. About 2 hours later the fire detector of another lavatory in the economy class triggered alarm, again cabin crew needed to extinguish a small fire in the bin of that lavatory. The captain decided to divert the aircraft to Jakarta (Indonesia) where the aircraft landed safely, all passengers disembarked and were questioned by Indonesian police.
The aircraft continued the flight after about 4 hours on the ground with all passengers aboard and reached Abu Dhabi with a delay of 4:15 hours, however, not without three more fire incidents after which the captain ordered cabin crew to stop all cabin service and guard the lavatories instead until landing in Abu Dhabi.
The airline confirmed multiple disruptions on the flight prompting the diversion to Jakarta. No arrests have been made, about a dozen passengers were detained by UAE police after arrival in Abu Dhabi however for further interviews.
Passengers reported there were sirens and flashing red lights going on and odour of smoke was noticed throughout the aircraft, with smoke visibly coming from first one then another lavatory. Breakfast service was stopped while the aircraft diverted to Jakarta. Passengers were upset about the flight being continued without the arsonist being identified and removed from the flight. Gossip amongst passengers indicated a female had set the lavatories alight.
On Feb 20th 2014 the airline reported that the 12 detained passengers were all released again, as there was no conclusive evidence. There had been two fire incidents after takeoff resulting in the diversion to Jakarta, three more fire incidents occurred while enroute from Jakarta to Abu Dhabi.