Guess they didn't learn the first time.. Delta's new KSEA-PAJN run.

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Seggy said:
Don't they usually not say the age and specific circumstances of patients that need to be medevac-ed?

Regardless of that, look at the increased scrutiny of the Air Ambulance community from the NTSB. I wouldn't be so tongue and cheek.
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And by Air Ambulance you of course mean HEMS?
 
Capt. Chaos said:
Ignoring the other side show...

This is not a Delta can't do it argument... this is people who are potential consumers of your service asking how is Delta going to be a viable option in this market.

After watching the years of development of Alaska's systen, is it not a valid question to ask how Delta expects to do the same in 5 month? And for such a short seasonal service where would such development fall on the scale of cost benefit analysis?

So I ask if this is anything more than a poke in the eye at Alaska? Or a real full fledged effort to compete on a equal footing.

Take is as Alaska arrogance or what have you.. but why should I spend my money for a ticket on your airline when I dont know if you can provide the same service?

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Look at the comment section here.

http://www.ktoo.org/2013/12/16/delta-challenges-alaska-airlines-on-seattle-juneau-route/

People are pretty concerned price wise to me.
 
Seggy said:
Don't they usually not say the age and specific circumstances of patients that need to be medevac-ed?
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Yeah. I dunno, when you're on contract to the Children's Hospital, you can occasionally connect the dots, even if you're a mouth-breathing 135 clown.

Plus, you know, one of our duties is to load the bleeding sack of human in to the aircraft, so it doesn't remain what you'd call a mystery for very long. But surely you knew that?

Regardless of that, look at the increased scrutiny of the Air Ambulance community from the NTSB. I wouldn't be so tongue and cheek.
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I think maybe the apposite term is "tongue-IN-cheek", Professor. And I remain mystified as to what the accident rate of HEMS has to do with whether or not you are the final arbiter of what is or isn't safe. Expound? (That means "type more").
 
Boris Badenov said:
Yeah. I dunno, when you're on contract to the Children's Hospital, you can occasionally connect the dots, even if you're a mouth-breathing 135 clown.
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Fair enough


I think maybe the apposite term is "tongue-IN-cheek", Professor. And I remain mystified as to what the accident rate of HEMS has to do with whether or not you are the final arbiter of what is or isn't safe. Expound? (That means "type more").
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Yeah it is tongue in cheek.

Point is, you are here telling me that you will never stall an airplane and then are saying I know it all, can make determinations about others, and I shouldn't call it like I see it.
 
Seggy said:
No.

The risks are being looked at and handled differently.

Big difference.
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The risk is mitigated to the extent possible. Point stands, the flying is different because we are less able to mitigate risks, yet still must get the job done a reasonable amount of the time with far less. It was well understood before I took the job.

Even the fact that the risk is handled differently(because it must be), makes the flying different than your ILS to ILS and the occasional NP and comparative fantastic facilities.
 
Seggy said:
The gravel part isn't the point here. You, in Alaska, have to make a determination if the runway is suitable for landing. Whether it be to soft, flooded, whatever. At Colgan (and other airlines, corporate, private airplanes, etc.) we had to make a determination if that nor'easter in Maine that was brining a foot of snow to KRKD per hour would make it OK for us to come into land. The same threats are involved here. This is with the station calling braking action 'fair', them telling us that the WX was improving, and that they needed us to land in order to meet their monthly EAS quota or we would be fined.

How is it any different bringing in a Piston on a gravel runway with marginal conditions or a Beech 1900 on a paved runway with marginal conditions? Both planes need to land before the end and the crews have to make good decisions on how to do it safely. Or if it is even possible to try now or later.
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Too.
 
Seggy said:
Look at the comment section here.

http://www.ktoo.org/2013/12/16/delta-challenges-alaska-airlines-on-seattle-juneau-route/

People are pretty concerned price wise to me.
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Yes.. as am I... I live here. But the reality is prices will drop, the people will cheer the arrival of Delta, and if Delta does not have a answer to the RNP, the people will still buy Alaska tickets and remember the time when we had lower 48 pricing for a summer.

I know its a hard thing to fathom, but people up here will pay more for dependable service.

Now if Delta had come out with a year round service announcement that would be more revealing as to the amount of resources they would bring to bear, but this summer offering seems more of a taunt.

Again no one on this board from Alaska wouldn't welcome serious competition to the Eskimo... but to outright discount people with first hand knowledge of the local obstacles that need to be overcome is your prerogative I guess. And Southeast is a spreadout small town.. if Delta had started any leg work the news would have spread like wildfire.
 
Capt. Chaos said:
Yes.. as am I... I live here. But the reality is prices will drop, the people will cheer the arrival of Delta, and if Delta does not have a answer to the RNP, the people will still buy Alaska tickets and remember the time when we had lower 48 pricing for a summer.
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What will happen is people will cheer the arrival of Delta, go on Expedia, see that Alaska and Delta are the same price, and then book on Alaska anyways because they already have a frequent flyer account with Alaska.

I don't think Delta cares about providing reliable service to Juneau as much as trying to hit Alaska where it hurts.
 
adk said:
What will happen is people will cheer the arrival of Delta, go on Expedia, see that Alaska and Delta are the same price, and then book on Alaska anyways because they already have a frequent flyer account with Alaska.

I don't think Delta cares about providing reliable service to Juneau as much as trying to hit Alaska where it hurts.
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You get points on your AS FF account for riding on DL to, you just don't get the 6x or 20x multiplier or whatever they're giving in the 49 club at the moment.
But they probably have the credit card to, because you're not officially Alaskan until you have a driver's licence, a hunting licence and AS FF account and corresponding credit card. Just stand next to the cash register at Moose's Tooth and look at the credit card logos.
 
Hey, I'm as Alaskan as it gets but I refuse to have a credit card until after I'm done with school and have a decent job. The 49 club is pretty awesome, hard to beat two free checked bags! Is DL putting a full fledged 737 on the Juneau route, or are they just throwing an RJ on it like some of their other new routes? Also does Alaska fly anything besides a combi to Juneau?
 
alaskadrifter said:
Hey, I'm as Alaskan as it gets but I refuse to have a credit card until after I'm done with school and have a decent job. The 49 club is pretty awesome, hard to beat two free checked bags! Is DL putting a full fledged 737 on the Juneau route, or are they just throwing an RJ on it like some of their other new routes? Also does Alaska fly anything besides a combi to Juneau?
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It's going to be a 737.
 
I will say this about the flying in Western Alaska. The attitude is really changing out here. Most people are filing IFR, and there are a lot less specials. Everywhere seems to have approaches, so why not file? Plus a lot of the old timers are on their way out, and some companies wont hire old timers. They hire younger, more conservative pilots.

This is a great article written by my old Captain.
http://oddballpilot.com/2013/12/the-price-of-experience/
 
ASpilot2be said:
I will say this about the flying in Western Alaska. The attitude is really changing out here. Most people are filing IFR, and there are a lot less specials. Everywhere seems to have approaches, so why not file? Plus a lot of the old timers are on their way out, and some companies wont hire old timers. They hire younger, more conservative pilots.

This is a great article written by my old Captain.
http://oddballpilot.com/2013/12/the-price-of-experience/
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That is a pretty cool blog/site. I just watched two of his videos. Seems like a site I am going to peruse more. Very interesting man.
 
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