Looks Like the Thunderbird's and Blue Angels are Scheduling Shows Again

Seggy said:
A VAST majority of the American taxpayers don't give a rat's ass about Airshows and watching a bunch of guys march out to their airplanes and fly circles around in VFR conditions.



It is a military town. I will give you that in towns such as that, yes, other folks will be attracted to see that type of thing, but a VAST majority of Americans don't care.




Air Show attendance records are declining overall. Then 10-12 million over a year isn't that many folks. The 'Sound of Music Live' that aired last Thursday had 18.6 million viewers.
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Source?
 
USMCmech said:
Not nearly as high as the one you are on.
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:rolleyes:

So what? I don't agree with every veteran here, but I do respect his opinion. I will add that his experience comes from dealing with the Tbirds, which have a much bigger budget than the Blues do.
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Until people/those who served in the military stop bitching about social welfare programs and others trying to get a handout for the government, burning Jet-A to do circles over a field of spectators shouldn't happen.

Every bit of evidence shows the contrary, the flight demonstration teams are wildly popular with Americans from every conceivable demographic.
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Houston had a big air show a few months ago. Two people I know went to it. Both pilots. Not one person I am friends with outside of my aviation community went. The statistics can be skewed anyway one wants.


About $0.08 each.
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Which is entirely to much.

Maybe if you would be saying how Obamacare is a good idea and that we need to give more government assistance to the poor of this country, I would be singing a different tune. But until you do, you aren't going to change my mind.

You are just saying, 'well it is ok for them to spend in the military, but DON'T give away health care!'


So, what to you think about my other cost saving measure, scrapping Old Ironsides?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution

The maintenance budget for a ship that only leaves the dock once a year and the crew can be much better spent on actual fighting ships.
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Yes, I know what Old Ironsides is. I have flown into BOS a few times when they were turning it around..

It is a Commissioned Naval Ship not a discretionary group that burns Jet-A flying circles around a large field of people. A lot cheaper to maintain a ship made of wood than an F-18 Hornet and C-130.
 
dasleben said:
Source?
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Using @A Life Aloft statistic, say 12 million to 14 million a year attend Air Shows.

That is only about 4% of the American population attend Air Shows. That isn't that high. If people really gave a rat's ass, the percentage would be higher. More Air Shows have also been canceled over the last few years than new ones started.
 
Seggy said:
It is a Commissioned Naval Ship not a discretionary group that burns Jet-A flying circles around a large field of people. A lot cheaper to maintain a ship made of wood than an F-18 Hornet and C-130.
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What's the difference?

She's a relic from the 18th century that wastes the cost of 60 active sailors, and only a handful of tourists even know that she still exists much less care. I'm willing to bet that the budget of that ship is several million dollars per year that could be going to "better" programs.
 
Seggy said:
Once again, only about 4% of Americans actually attend Air Shows per year. That is about four to six million less than watched 'Sound of Music Live' last Thursday.
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You willingly watched the Sound of Music?

The finale of Dancing With the Stars most likely had a larger audience share than all of the Affordable Healthcare Act debates on CSPAN combined, but these tacos sure are delicious.
 
USMCmech said:
What's the difference?

She's a relic from the 18th century that wastes the cost of 60 active sailors, and only a handful of tourists even know that she still exists much less care. I'm willing to bet that the budget of that ship is several million dollars per year that could be going to "better" programs.
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I am willing to be that only a handful of Americans know what the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds are.

Once again, maybe I would be singing a different tune about the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds if I didn't see so much hypocrisy.
 
MikeD said:
Air Show attendance records are declining overall. Then 10-12 million over a year isn't that many folks. The 'Sound of Music Live' that aired last Thursday had 18.6 million viewers.
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Airshows are declining, overall. So, I would expect airshow attendance to be declining, overall. Comparing a live event to a television audience? Airshow attendance of 10-12 million doesn't fare poorly when compared to NFL attendance of 17 million.
 
The Army has a recruiting and marketing budget of over $800 million. What sticks out in your mind about their recruiting and marketing efforts?
 
Seggy said:
I am willing to be that only a handful of Americans know what the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds are.
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Regardless of your spelling error I'm beginning to wonder what country you're posting from, a handful of Americans? Or are you saying that most people don't realize that it's a recruiting tool? These teams have done flyovers of most of the major sporting events in this country for a long time gaining huge numbers of non aviation peoples attention through television and the folks in the stands. Do you think it matters to a sales guy either way? The T-birds are doing a flyover at the start of the Rose Parade on the 1st, I'd call that smart marketing considering the audience that broadcast normally generates nationwide.
 
Seggy said:
Using @A Life Aloft statistic, say 12 million to 14 million a year attend Air Shows.

That is only about 4% of the American population attend Air Shows. That isn't that high. If people really gave a rat's ass, the percentage would be higher. More Air Shows have also been canceled over the last few years than new ones started.
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Your numbers might hold some water if the Blue Angels performed in every city, and even then, 4% of the population is a significant figure. :)

Of the people who are actually able to readily travel to a Blue Angels show, how many attend? I have no idea, but I guarantee it's more than "only pilots" as you've said previously.
 
Seggy said:
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Houston had a big air show a few months ago. Two people I know went to it. Both pilots. Not one person I am friends with outside of my aviation community went. The statistics can be skewed anyway one wants.
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Sacramento has the capital air show every year. The only people I knew who went, weren't pilots let alone care anything about aviation. My "statistic" is as useless as yours.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
... Comparing a live event to a television audience? Airshow attendance of 10-12 million doesn't fare poorly when compared to NFL attendance of 17 million.
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Most people in this country don't give a rat's ass about the NFL. I know I don't, so it must be so.

(@Derg is part of the minority here though, too. He's an under cover NFL group-ette.)
 
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