Had a controller get annoyed with me because I asked for a clearance to cross a closed runway. He told me no clearance is required to cross a closed runway. Makes perfect sense to me, but I can't find that little tidbit written down anywhere. Any help?
Any controller who gets annoyed by a pilot asking for clarification about a clearance needs to consider asking for a break immediately.
Apparently the ATIS specifically said no clearance required, but it was my leg to fly so I never heard it.
Apparently the ATIS specifically said no clearance required, but it was my leg to fly so I never heard it.
That, and is a closed runway really closed if it can be used with permission? I'll always ask for clearance.The ATIS doesn't supersede a regulation.
The ATIS doesn't supersede a regulation.
So we don't know what the ATIS actually said.adk said:Apparently the ATIS specifically said no clearance required, but it was my leg to fly so I never heard it.
Not sure but I seem to recall a late night ATIS (not very busy) that instructed to taxi to the ramp after landing without contacting anyone.I recall a notice to controllers requiring clearance for active, inactive, and closed runways.
Can an ATIS provide any other type of clearance?
Ultimately, "Tower" and "Ground" are just divisions of duties in a control tower for convenience. When it's not very busy, say at night at a 24/7 tower, it's often all on one frequency (even was night at KCOS when CD, Ground, Tower, and Approcah/Departure were one guy (his mistake was not announcing "all services are on..." Made for some pretty funny communciations juggling when a meeting broke up ).This is my impression based off of empirical evidence, and not necessarily the FARs. Ground controllers can issue clearance to cross inactive and/or closed runways, and tower holds the hammer for active runways. I will always, absolutely, read back the clearance to cross to any such controller, but I have never had a ground controller clear me to cross an active runway.
Not sure but I seem to recall a late night ATIS (not very busy) that instructed to taxi to the ramp after landing without contacting anyone..
In your case, you're talking to a controller. What are your thoughts on ATIS clearing you to cross a closed runway without clearance? I think its a bad idea for ATIS to get in the clearance business. Closed or open, I'm going to ask for clearance. I'm looking at the markings and I don't have to correctly recall the ATIS instruction to prevent a possible incursion.I fly nights and get that where Im at all the time. Clearance of "Cleared to land taxiway Charlie 2 (or runway XX), and to your ramp this freq, goodnight." And thats the last I hear from the local controller.
In your case, you're talking to a controller. What are your thoughts on ATIS clearing you to cross a closed runway without clearance? I think its a bad idea for ATIS to get in the clearance business. Closed or open, I'm going to ask for clearance. I'm looking at the markings and I don't have to correctly recall the ATIS instruction to prevent a possible incursion.
Also, as you are aware, you can be cleared to use a "closed runway", so that introduces a possible conflict. There isn't a FAR that prohibits taking off or landing on a closed runway.