Eagle "thrown under the bus"? You decide.

And the proof is ALPA at regionals and national (Moak) trying to convince regionals to take more concessions.

Not what Captain Moak was saying. But if you're so dense as to believe conspiracy theories that mainline pilots are out to get you because your dues revenue isn't high enough, I'm not surprised that you think he did. :rolleyes:
 
We should have a different union simple as that. Think there's plenty of people would agree with me on that as well.
 
Separatist talk aside, I think Moak is trying to soften the blow in advance in case the PSA pilots roll over on us.

The sad thing is that this is about so much more than just new airplanes.

Taking a concession for new jets- not even growth, but replacement airframes- when your mainline partners are recording record numbers is just sad. But even more than that, it's erasing all the ground we've gained in the last five years towards making this a really livable profession.

Eagle pilots had the foresight to see that selling out those following us was stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime. The PSA TA is as well, just with a different flavor to it.
 
Well here are some facts.

Wychor told us that we would shut down.

Wychor stated that this agreement would not affect the other regionals.

Wychor explained that there "might be" a letter authorizing no college degree. Can't see it in public, ask him on the side and if it exists, keep it on the DL.

ALPA National did not "sell" this contract.

PCL ALPA heavily sold it.

Final fact: Wychor is done as MEC Chair when his term ends - even if he runs again. Look for a pre-merger Pinnacle guy to be the MEC Chair, since it's going to be 4 9E LEC reps and two XJ reps.

I am just a messenger.
 
Eagle pilots had the foresight to see that selling out those following us was stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime. The PSA TA is as well, just with a different flavor to it.

For the record, the Eagle pilots did no such thing. The Eagle MEC voted no on their agreement. The MEC's vote kept the Eagle pilots from having to make the tough decision that is now facing the PSA pilots. While their vote will have repercussions throughout the industry, the PSA pilots need to vote based on what is good for them and their families.

Everybody needs to remember that it is really easy to sit on the sidelines and tell others to fall on their swords. It is a whole lot more difficult to be the one doing the falling.
 
For the record, the Eagle pilots did no such thing. The Eagle MEC voted no on their agreement. The MEC's vote kept the Eagle pilots from having to make the tough decision that is now facing the PSA pilots. While their vote will have repercussions throughout the industry, the PSA pilots need to vote based on what is good for them and their families.

Everybody needs to remember that it is really easy to sit on the sidelines and tell others to fall on their swords. It is a whole lot more difficult to be the one doing the falling.

Eagle pilots did exactly that. You think our reps don't listen to us? The MEC just realized a turd when the saw it and didn't waste our time by passing it on for a vote. Why ask us to say the obvious? There's no way in hell I would have voted yes to that proposal.

PSA's MEC rolled over. Fine. Let them make their pilots do the dirty work. But it still needs to be done.

... And if PSA pilots vote yes to a concessionary agreement while their mainline partner is posting record numbers, they've made it clear that all the advances we've made in the last five years aren't worth spit, because we can be strong-armed into paying for them in roundabout ways.

They'd effectively be telling EVERYBODY, present and future, to fall on their swords. Unless we hold the line, outsourced feed flying will continue to grow at the cost of mainline jobs. And they'll be ever more poorly compensated. Eagle, PSA, whoever- anybody who pays for shiny new airplanes under anything but the most extreme duress is screwing everybody- including themselves.
 
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Final fact: Wychor is done as MEC Chair when his term ends - even if he runs again. Look for a pre-merger Pinnacle guy to be the MEC Chair, since it's going to be 4 9E LEC reps and two XJ reps.

I am just a messenger.


Who is trying to run against Wychor?


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Eagle pilots did exactly that. You think our reps don't listen to us? The MEC just realized a turd when the saw it and didn't waste our time by passing it on for a vote. Why ask us to say the obvious? There's no way in hell I would have voted yes to that proposal.

PSA's MEC rolled over. Fine. Let them make their pilots do the dirty work. But it still needs to be done.

I don't know about either of those things. I think it would have been a pretty close vote if the Eagle TA had made it out of the MEC meeting. Also, the PSA MEC didn't roll over. They followed the pilot group's historic desire to have the option to vote on things instead of let a few elected reps decide.
 
Who is trying to run against Wychor?


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Not exactly sure but the guys from "our side" of the pre-merger group (including reps) have talked about putting someone else in. The 4 and 2 thing came from a rep. Our NYC guys are militantly anti-company and anti-establishment union.
 
A response from Eagle to ALPA: (posted on another board)

[The following is a draft version of a letter I intend to send to ALPA's Executive Board. Please send me your concurring or dissenting opinions so that I might incorporate your feedback into my final version.]

To the ALPA Executive Board --

John F. Kennedy once remarked that “a rising tide lifts all boats.” Given Captain Moak’s remarks in a recent letter to the American Eagle pilot group I question whether ALPA’s leadership is aware of this concept, and its inverse.

It appears from Captain Moak’s communiqué that ALPA is content to allow Regional Airline pilots to ‘wallow in the whipsaw’ and that ALPA leadership does not desire to lead the regional workgroups in a proactive fashion consistent with an upward trajectory. It is instead content to watch various Association pilot workgroups vie for each other’s flying. It only counsels the most conservative course of action when dealing with management (namely: accepting concessions and weakening hard-fought contracts).

This behavior certainly does not represent the best interest of the regional Pilot, but perversely, it also damages the worth of the mainline Pilot that ALPA seems so interested in representing.

In my opinion three very important shifts are about to play out in the air transport industry:

1) Vertical Integration: In a desperate attempt to keep “entry level” Part 121 pilot salaries as low as possible mainline management will try to provide the mirage of “cradle to grave” career progression with the philosophy of paying substandard wages earlier in the career with the potentially false promise of higher than average wages later.

2) Pilot Qualifications: No longer can any warm body serve as a First Officer on Part 121 flights and no longer are young men & women investing the time and treasure necessary to become pilots working for subsistence wages. It seems word has finally reached the public that new-hire positions in the regional airline industry are not worth the investment.

3) Monster Regional Jets: Passengers can’t tell the difference between an E175 and a 737. But the pilots can sure tell a difference in their paystubs. As “regional jets” grow larger more downward pressure is exerted on “mainline jet” pay.

Given only the above (and ignoring all the other positive signs for our industry) I should think ALPA’s national leadership would be very interested in protecting the value of mainline pilots, pilots who are only now beginning to claw their way back to deserved compensation and benefits, yet who still lag behind in purchasing power when compared to similarly skilled peers such as doctors and lawyers. And the best way to enhance the mainline Pilot’s worth is to correspondingly enhance the worth of regional Pilots (for only by enhancing the worth of regional employees will mainline negate the constant downward pressure that results in placing ever larger hulls at segregated regional carriers).

The qualifications to fly large transport category aircraft have changed and thus the worth of a Part 121 Apprentice Pilot has changed, yet ALPA’s valuation of a new-hire has not changed. ALPA must get out of the past and quickly capitalize on the market forces. Part 121 new-hires are worth more, but only if we demand it.

For these reasons, I urge ALPA Leadership to reconsider the policy of devaluing the regional airline career and immediately cease cheerleading as various regional ALPA work groups continually undercut each other in the vicious race to the bottom. This doesn't serve the regional Pilots ALPA represents, and long-term it damages and undercuts the mainline Pilots.

In Unity, and respectfully,
XXXXX
American Eagle LEC 121 Vice-Chair
 
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