Delta Air Lines (pilots)

[lr31apilot]

I love when distant family members who I barely talk to alert me that Delta is hiring. As if I was so checked out of my profession that I needed them to remind me of this.

My grandma asked me YESTERDAY when I was going to become a commercial pilot! She went on to tell me I should hurry up because there is going to be a big demand for commercial pilots.

 

[durind]

My grandma asked me YESTERDAY when I was going to become a commercial pilot! She went on to tell me I should hurry up because there is going to be a big demand for commercial pilots.

It always drives me nuts when people ask me if I want to be a commercial pilot someday. I need to look up what this "commercial pilot" is in the dictionary.

 

[block30]

It always drives me nuts when people ask me if I want to be a commercial pilot someday. I need to look up what this "commercial pilot" is in the dictionary.

They must mean the "commercial airlines." You know you're not really an airline pilot unless you are at the commercial airlines.

 

[scooter2525]

It always drives me nuts when people ask me if I want to be a commercial pilot someday. I need to look up what this "commercial pilot" is in the dictionary.

It's being a "Real Pilot".

 

[juxtapilot]

You all are just jealous of my awesome regional airline pilot job.

 

[derg]

THE “300” REPORT​

​

(Q&A on the 300 new hires) ​

During our lounge visits, we receive many inquiries on a variety of subjects. We forward these questions and concerns to the MEC or appropriate committee chairman and broadcast answers to you via several vehicles, normally, C20 Updates, Notices, Contract Awareness Bulletins, Vectors, or in this case, an ST-BLAST. ​

Below are the answers to questions that were posed last week during our lounge visit regarding the 300 pilots being hired (or returned from furlough) beginning in November 2013. ​

Note: Every month that the MEC does not meet, your LEC conducts a “lounge visit,” held just outside the pilot lounge. We are there to answer questions and to forward your concerns to the MEC. Please stop by and visit with us during the upcoming (proposed) dates: ​

September 16–20, 2013 ​

October 14–18, 2013 ​

“300” Q&A ​

Q. What are the numbers of pilots Delta will hire in each class? ​

Class dates, other than the very first one of November 4, have not been released. However, Delta has announced that they will hire 50 per month, starting in November, through early 2014 and then 20 per month for the balance of the 300 pilots. (Flight Operations Weekly Update 07-12-13) (DeltaNet Link) ​

Q. How many furloughed pilots does Delta have at this time? ​

We currently have 203 furlough bypass pilots. Of that number, 171 pilots will have to make a decision to come back to Delta or be taken off the seniority list; 32 of those pilots still have the option of bypassing recall but may return when notified. Note: As of this report all furloughed pilots have been contacted by Certified Letter (distributed July 15), and CPOs are now backing those letters up with phone calls. ​

Q. How many furloughed pilots will definitely return? ​

There is no way of knowing how many will return. The good news is that we should know by September how many elected to come back and any (of the 32) that have bypassed once again. ​

Q. What is the hiring priority for the announced positions? ​

1. Furlough Bypass ​

2. Compass Flow pilots ​

3. Mesaba Flow pilots ​

4. Off the Street Hires ​

a. 1/3 of the offers must be Endeavor (Pinnacle) pilots ​

Q. Is Compass second in line due to the flow agreement? ​

Correct, Compass pilots are first to “flow up,” at a rate of 20 per month until they reach approximately 100 in a rolling year. This is a rolling 12-month calculation that the Company must adhere to. (See PWA, LOA #9, 13 [Flow Up], pg. 7) ​

Q. Is Mesaba third in line due to the flow agreement? ​

Correct, Mesaba is the next group of pilots to flow. If we are hiring more than 20 pilots per month, Mesaba pilots will get the next 9 slots. Note: Mesaba pilots must meet the requirements per the LOA which state that he/she (1) be a captain and (2) meet all objective hiring criteria and requirements established by Delta. (See PWA, LOA #10, 2 [Flow Up], pg. 3) ​

Q. Are there any other flow-through airlines? ​

Yes, Endeavor (Pinnacle) is entitled to one-third of all available positions, apart from those filled under LOAs #9 and #10 of our PWA. Max number of SSP (Streamlined Selection Process) pilots for each new-hire class will be: 12 for 2013–2016, 15 for 2017, and 20 for 2018 and beyond. Note: Endeavor (Pinnacle) pilots must meet the provisions of the bridge agreement, which consists of three components: (1) a streamlined, one-day selection process in seniority order; (2) a structured opportunity to repeat the process in the event a pilot does not successfully complete the process on an initial attempt; and (3) a commitment by Delta to hire a minimum number of Pinnacle pilots until the process is exhausted. The SSP states that the pilot must: (1) be a captain and (2) meet all objective hiring criteria and requirements established by Delta. (See PCL-DAL Bridge Agreement 1-15-13, 2 [Establishing Enhanced Career Progression] pgs. 3–6) ​

Q. In a typical class make-up, what would the breakdown be? ​

Delta furloughs first. After all Delta furloughed pilots have returned, then the flow through and bridge agreements would kick in. During the last round of hiring, Delta did not mix furlough bypass/recall pilots with new-hire pilots before the flow ups or off the street. So, yes, all Delta furlough bypass pilots first. ​

Q. When would new pilots “off-the-street” be introduced to a new-hire class? ​

Let’s assume that all the furlough/bypass pilots are trained in November. If we hire 50 pilots in December as planned, 20 will come from Compass, 9 will come from Mesaba, one-third of the remaining 21 pilots (max 12, in this case 7) will come from Endeavor (Pinnacle), and the remaining would come from “off the street.” ​

Q. Does planning know where these pilots will go initially (base and A/C)? ​

Not at this time. ​

Delta has not decided what aircraft and base they will be offering the furlough bypass pilots. Remember, the furlough bypass pilots do not generally have a choice of aircraft or base. However, they do not incur a freeze. Recall that our new hire pilots do incur a 12-month freeze. (22G1) ​

An excerpt from Steve Dickson’s July 19 Flight Operations Weekly Update: ​

“The furlough bypass and new-hire pilots will occupy unfilled positions in the Advance Entitlement posted today. This AE is intended to continue the flow of pilots through 717 training and includes 717 first officer openings in ATL and DTW. Thirty-five Atlanta and 65 Detroit slots are required due to our aggressive delivery schedule. ATL 717 service will begin in late September, and Network has informed us that the 717 will begin flying out of DTW in December.” ​

I hope this information addresses the questions raised during the last week’s lounge visit. If you have additional questions, comments, or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact any of us. ​

Fraternally, ​

Tom Bell ​

DTW Council 20 Secretary-Treasurer ​

​

 

[mikecweb]

So 14 pilots from somewhere the Navy or Auburn.

 

[derg]

So 14 pilots from somewhere the Navy or Auburn.

Yeh.... pretty much. o_0

 

[joethepilot]

So if compass is limited to a 100 in a 12 month period there would be 5 months of 20 compass guys each (assuming one class 20 or greater per month). Then those 20 slots would go to pinnacle / off the street people for the next 7 months. Then rinse and repeat?

Mesaba 9 per class indefinitely ... This doesn't mention that its not actually all of ex Mesaba pilots but rather the chosen few that were hand picked during the sale to pinnacle....

14 out of 50 is about 28 percent ...

Looks like odds are against us normal folk.

 

[Maurus]

Looks like odds are against us normal folk.

Initially yes, but the compass flows should run out rather quick at least. That should free up some room here in a year or so for us non-favored peeps.

 

[crazyjaydawg]

Initially yes, but the compass flows should run out rather quick at least. That should free up some room here in a year or so for us non-favored peeps.

In a year or so the Compass flows start all over again.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

So how many will be off the street?

 

[Maurus]

In a year or so the Compass flows start all over again.

Yeah I thought there weren't many pilots left but it seems almost the entire pilot group can still flow up.

 

[The Deuce]

It's sounding like off the street hires are going to be the ones that are married into the family first. I ride in the DL Jumpseat at least twice a week and I hear from everyone that for someone "off the street", or that is currently working at a regional, it's going to be at least a year until you really see anyone taking those slots. But it's all speculation.

 

[Ziggyfuzz]

Good source of mine says company letter to pilots asked them to hold off on personal rec's until after this first wave. He guesses next summer/fall...

 

[ClarkGriswold]

Good source of mine says company letter to pilots asked them to hold off on personal rec's until after this first wave. He guesses next summer/fall...

What is the level of said source? Haven't heard this from mine...

 

[Ziggyfuzz]

What is the level of said source? Haven't heard this from mine...

number 200 ish on the master seniority list, and alpa board member. Of course all recs are now done through airlineapps, not by walking someones papers in..

 

[ClarkGriswold]

Hmm interesting, not surprising. Just haven't heard that.

 

[Cptnchia]

Good source of mine says company letter to pilots asked them to hold off on personal rec's until after this first wave. He guesses next summer/fall...

What is the level of said source? Haven't heard this from mine...

number 200 ish on the master seniority list, and alpa board member. Of course all recs are now done through airlineapps, not by walking someones papers in..

Must be a letter they sent to the senior guys only, cause this 9700 ish pilot didn't get that letter. We did however get this:

"Many of you have asked when we'll start hiring pilots "off the street." We expect that our first indoctrination classes in November and December will be made up largely of furlough recall pilots. However, by early 2014, we anticipate we'll be screening pilots from Endeavor Air as part of the Streamlined Selection Process (SSP) agreement as well as pilots from off the street (approximately 400 Mesaba and Compass pilots have flow up agreements and will not have to participate in initial screening as they flow up over the next few years). As the hiring plans become finalized, you'll be hearing more details. But for now remember that if you'd like to recommend someone for a pilot position at Delta, please do so via the airlineapps.com web site. For additional Pilot Selection information and updates you may reference the Pilot Selection web page on Delta Net"

 

[derg]

Good source of mine says company letter to pilots asked them to hold off on personal rec's until after this first wave. He guesses next summer/fall...

Not true. I've been in contact with "The Man" and didn't hear a scintilla of that at all.