RAH Q400 in BTV

You guys should have done those LEB approaches in a 402. Nancies. I actually did the VOR into LEB once down to mins without right engine indications *bites Bowie knife*. :)

(Actually RUT was the tough one.)
 
dasleben said:
You guys should have done those LEB approaches in a 402. Nancies. I actually did the VOR into LEB once down to mins, partial panel, inverted with the left engine on fire and without right engine indications, in an ice storm.

*bites TWO Bowie knives*. :)
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FIFY....

If you're going to tell "war" stories when you're that old, retired airport bum and dazzling bright-eyed kids who don't know better, ya gotta learn how to TELL A STORY. :)
 
deadstick said:
FIFY....

If you're going to tell "war" stories when you're that old, retired airport bum and dazzling bright-eyed kids who don't know better, ya gotta learn how to TELL A STORY. :)
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It's fine. I'm such a creampuff now, nobody would believe me anyway. My best war story recently is when we didn't get catered with crew meals, and we had to eat...PASSENGER MEALS. *dramatic chord*

:(
 
dasleben said:
It's fine. I'm such a creampuff now, nobody would believe me anyway. My best war story recently is when we didn't get catered with crew meals, and we had to eat...PASSENGER MEALS. *dramatic chord*

:(
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Oh the horror, the Company still fed you.

They only order one box quick turn boxes a week now in LAX...down from FIVE BOXES.

#starving
 
dasleben said:
You guys should have done those LEB approaches in a 402. Nancies. I actually did the VOR into LEB once down to mins without right engine indications *bites Bowie knife*. :)

(Actually RUT was the tough one.)
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I did a GPS approach in there once at night in the rain when I was pretty low on the experience level. Not for the faint of heart.
 
Seggy said:
Riiiiight, like the lack of emphasis on high altitude stall training? After a fatal one needs a complete cleansing, that didn't happen at Pinnacle and that led to the TVC and Colgan Accident.
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Are you saying 3407 was a high altitude stall?
 
amorris311 said:
No, just an approach to landing stall. Or as I was taught during my initial pilot training, a power off stall.
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OK, just confused. I read his statement to say by not reviewing the "41-O" crash (and the intricacies of high altitude stalls) that that led to Colgan.
 
pullup said:
OK, just confused. I read his statement to say by not reviewing the "41-O" crash (and the intricacies of high altitude stalls) that that led to Colgan.
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So did I, but I speak wookie and understand what he was trying to say. Our training changed pretty soon after the accident. Same with PCL after the high altitude stall.
 
3407 isn't classified as a "stall accident", it is more correctly referred to as a "loss of control" accident and is now the leading cause of fatal accidents with transport category aircraft. Empire, Turkish Airlines, Colgan Air and Asiana are all "loss of control" accidents. Perfectly functioning airplanes that crashed due a laundry list of causal factors....3407 was a classic case of BOTH pilots loosing situational awareness simultaneously. Why??? That will haunt me for the rest of my life, because we will never really know why. More emphasis on basic airmanship, less emphasis on typing skills in the "box" and pilots that understand basic aerodynamics would be a step in the right direction.
 
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