9E TA Reached

jynxyjoe said:
Well I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm not in your position. The information I had in front of me was compelling, and I have no illusion of fairness in a bankruptcy process. Maybe it would have been better if we'd said no, shut down, and kept the respect of everyone on the internet. If there were just some sort of coin star that would turn R-E-S-P-E-C-T and turn it into something like dollar bills that would be awesome. Sorry I couldn't work more of those lyrics into my post too, trying figure out how to turn the coinstar thing into a "find out what it means to me" line or even the TCB line.

Anyway, everyone else, show us how it's done next time.
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Sounds like you're a Yes voter!
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Sounds like you're a Yes voter!
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Yes, I haven't hidden that, at least I hope not. Gotta admit it took a while to figure out what I thought of it, but once I saw the soft pay was still there, the insurance still had an OAP, geezers retirement wasn't annihilated, and we weren't costed below GoJets (starting race to bottom) then I relented. Did I have to hold my nose, yeah. I was a little surprised the bankruptcy judge can say the ask is unfair, and the company was wrong to ask for that much and negotiate in bad faith, only to lead us to another stonewall negotiation that took national stepping in and mediating. It was clear Delta wants Pinnacle gone as soon as possible if we don't cost less than GoJets. Not to say every bankruptcy is the same, but I was a little shocked how quickly things move and how terribly unfair the process is publicly acknowledged and shrugged off as "Welcome to corporate America young man!"

We cost more than GoJets, so the clock is ticking.
 
I genuinely feel for the pilots at Pinnacle, I really do. I understand that you were in a difficult position. With that being said, I guess my feelings about this industry are vastly different than the majority of the pilot group there. I work under a contract and pay rates that are embarrassingly some of the best out there for a regional airline. I sit back and look at the big picture sometimes and I can't believe what we are paid. I'm closing in on 6 years here now and it will still be a while before I see a left seat. I am responsible for hundreds of passengers each day, and I am away from my family for at least half of each and every month. I miss holidays, birthdays, and other special events. At some point when the company comes asking for a handout you are forced to take a step back and ask yourself "Is this really worth it?" For me, and again I can only speak for myself, that answer is a resounding no. I would not accept even a penny less than what I currently make. I was one of those newbies with blinders on back in '07 that thought I would move on to a major within 5 years. I couldn't have been more wrong. As much as I enjoy flying, it is definitely at the breaking point for me. It's already not worth it, but to think of accepting something less would leave no doubt in my mind about leaving this industry. It would be a bitter pill to swallow. It would be hard to start all over in another career field, but it would be the only logical choice for me.

Again, I'm not trying to make negative remarks about the Pinnacle guys and gals that voted in favor of this. Everyone had to make the decision that best suited themselves. My point is only to share my view, which just so happens to be different than the majority it seems.
 
So, no pay out until May. I can guess what happens to the $$$ if you leave between now and then. The whole purpose of the "signing bonus" was to keep people (particularly junior FOs with nothing to lose) from jumping ship and adding to the training costs.

The take away on this is have a plan B. I honestly think so many Pinnacle guys up and down the list don't have a plan B that they have no choice but to stick it out. Flying is cool, but when you can work at Disney, be home every night and make the same amount of money as a topped out FO, it's time to re-assess. If I were still there, I'd be bailing as soon as I got the "Come back to Space Mountain" phone call. And that's a pretty cheap plan B.
 
The purpose of the transition payout was to get people to vote yes. Anyone who leaves the company from here on out will still get their share when the checks are issued.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I have a feeling this yes vote is the beginning of the end for me in the industry. Now that banana will be passed around to the other regionals and we will have unspeakable things done to us with it. With the stagnation that we've already seen this job is barely worth it.
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Plus other regionals management will throw out how overwhelmingly pinnacle pilots voted in favor of the concessions.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
All good points. Let me once again point out that my frustration isn't at the pinnacle pilots. You guys were given a choice between a kick to the nuts or a kick to the face. I don't envy you guys at all and hope you land on your feet. Nor am I trying to pull a trip7 and pretend my company is like narnia.

There is one group at fault with this and that is DL management. They knew what they wanted and exactly how to get it. Every time I see RA in the safety video talking about how DL is founded on respect, integrity, etc i feel like throwing stuff at the TV screen.
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You should, they have the Delta flowthru

They will, they have the Delta flowthru

It's not, you don't have the Delta flowthru
 
ZWflyer said:
I genuinely feel for the pilots at Pinnacle, I really do. I understand that you were in a difficult position. With that being said, I guess my feelings about this industry are vastly different than the majority of the pilot group there. I work under a contract and pay rates that are embarrassingly some of the best out there for a regional airline. I sit back and look at the big picture sometimes and I can't believe what we are paid. I'm closing in on 6 years here now and it will still be a while before I see a left seat. I am responsible for hundreds of passengers each day, and I am away from my family for at least half of each and every month. I miss holidays, birthdays, and other special events. At some point when the company comes asking for a handout you are forced to take a step back and ask yourself "Is this really worth it?" For me, and again I can only speak for myself, that answer is a resounding no. I would not accept even a penny less than what I currently make. I was one of those newbies with blinders on back in '07 that thought I would move on to a major within 5 years. I couldn't have been more wrong. As much as I enjoy flying, it is definitely at the breaking point for me. It's already not worth it, but to think of accepting something less would leave no doubt in my mind about leaving this industry. It would be a bitter pill to swallow. It would be hard to start all over in another career field, but it would be the only logical choice for me.

Again, I'm not trying to make negative remarks about the Pinnacle guys and gals that voted in favor of this. Everyone had to make the decision that best suited themselves. My point is only to share my view, which just so happens to be different than the majority it seems.
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If you work for AWAC the music will stop there soon enough as well

Besides the little bump in 2008 with the 40 downgrades and 80 (?) furloughs AWAC guys have been EXTREMELY LUCKY. Don't ever forget that.

For anyone at Pinnacle DO NOT feel bad about voting yes, honestly you were in an impossible spot and taking the money and running for the bottom 1/3 or so or whomever will get furloughed is the smart thing to do. With the hiring in the next couple years you guys will I'm sure find a better place and in the end this will just be the impetus needed to get off your butts and get a better job or focus on maybe a small business or something. Who knows what it can lead to. Good luck we're all gonna need it.
 
Derg said:
Why we grab line pilots, train them as negotiators and put them up against the companies well-trained attorneys and professional negotiators, I have no idea.
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Good thing we don't do that, then, huh? We send pilots along with professional negotiators to the bargaining table. In many cases, especially when the big ticket items are being negotiated, there are more ALPA attorneys at the table than pilots.
 
For those of you who voted no I truly commend you for your ability to see thru the longterm ramifications of this contract. Unfortunately the others could only see the short term benefit to themselves.
 
It really wasn't difficult for me to realize that as a professional, Im worth more.

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Rocketman99 said:
I was expecting a lower percentage. Maybe 55%, but definitely not 73% overall. That's like getting kicked in the nuts with an extra pull and scrape as they take their foot back.
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Well we weren't just going to leave our foot there in your nuts.

Honestly though, sorry you feel let down.
v1valarob said:
It really wasn't difficult for me to realize that as a professional, Im worth more.

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You know, you can just hit ctrl + prtscrn and it's worlds easier than taking a shot with your phone.
 
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