Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
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scooter2525
Very well Member
The only time to rush is when you know it's going to be closing time at in n out.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
I figure if I'm two slow for Captain Dick, he's got two hands, he can do it himself!
I've flown with guys that want to dictate what I do and when I do it and I generally just ignore them or offer them the leg. I'm an adult, probably as much airline experience as they have and I'm just out of the "put up with bs" mode.
#captainitis
Sent from my free Obama Phone
"Ok, give ground a call."
"Thanks captain! 5 years and I'm still figuring this crap out."
av8or91
Well-Known Member
I felt rushed a lot as new hire and sometimes I find captains who just want to rush and get out 20 mins early. If im not moving fast enough, I have asked the captain to do some things. Most of the time I have found they will do what ever needs to be done to get out when they want with out me getting task saturated.
SeanD
Well-Known Member
Jpax
Well-Known Member
Ahaha, right!
BrewMaster
Well-Known Member
I've done the subtle slow down like a previous poster said. Works like a charm.
To the OP, what airline is this? Reminds me of RG at Eagle.
To the OP, what airline is this? Reminds me of RG at Eagle.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
I've found a lot of times, people will pick up a bit for somebody that's not operating at the pace they expect/need without saying anything.
If I'm stuck with an FO who goes up and gets a snack every leg, an then takes his time getting stuff done, an we are just making out time ( as in, now it's stressful for me, because he's not getting his crap done on time) then yeah, I'm going to push. I don't need to deal with the "why were you late" calls because slow Jane over there was taking his time.
This like most everything has two sides.. And the RCP is going to say," WT Fun? Work it out and get your ass in the air."
If I'm stuck with an FO who goes up and gets a snack every leg, an then takes his time getting stuff done, an we are just making out time ( as in, now it's stressful for me, because he's not getting his crap done on time) then yeah, I'm going to push. I don't need to deal with the "why were you late" calls because slow Jane over there was taking his time.
This like most everything has two sides.. And the RCP is going to say," WT Fun? Work it out and get your ass in the air."
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Not sure where you work, but if it's a union carrier, call your union rep before the meeting with the CP. I've seen cases where the FO was walking into a trap because the Captain was best buddies with the CP, and the CP was ready to hang the FO no matter what he had to say and who was truly in the wrong. Protect yourself.
Beyond the CP meeting, my advice to you is to not let yourself be rushed. There are brakes on both sides of the cockpit for a reason. Go at a normal, safe speed, and if it annoys the captain, too bad for him.
Beyond the CP meeting, my advice to you is to not let yourself be rushed. There are brakes on both sides of the cockpit for a reason. Go at a normal, safe speed, and if it annoys the captain, too bad for him.
Bumblebee
Commodore
even if it's not a Union carrier (read SkyWest) you have the right to have a SAPA rep there as well to be sure that the rules are followed.
Thanks for all the sound advice given. I am based on the west coast for a non-union 121 carrier and I am still within my first year of probation. We had one of our company dispatchers riding along on the jump seat and I am guessing he felt things were going too fast as well because apparently he just happens to be a pilot and didn't feel comfortable with how things were progressing. That is why we have to meet with our chief pilot. I have never had anything like this happen before. I have had only good reviews from other fellow pilots. I have never had a hard time keeping up with captains before this, I guess unless someone has been in the situation it is hard for other people to understand. I just want to move on from this and let other pilots know to slow down if things are going so fast and you feel task saturated and speak up if you feel things are progressing to fast. I am not trying to come across as a whiner and I do not need any sympathy. I just don't want other fellow pilots to be careful.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
You'll be fine. Just be honest with your chief pilot, talk about the situation and not the person. IE "I felt rushed" not "he made me feel rushed." You're in your first year so I wouldn't be too worried. Once you've been at it for a while you can pull the "its not ready till I'm ready" card. At my airline I'm the one who runs the before start checklist, start check to the line, and the one who starts the engines. Those can't happen until you're ready, and once you've been here a while you'll have no problem saying "yeah...gimmie a second."
DE727UPS
Well-Known Member
Another option for the future. Let the Skygod do your work. If he presses you, tell him you're feeling rushed and you're doing your best to get everything done, but if he wants to do the FMC stuff, we could probably get out early. I don't press F/O's, but where I work the Capt does very little besides the walk around and checking the F/O's work. The F/O really has a lot to do. If I wanna go early, I offer to do some of his stuff.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
I love that game, but I only do it with micromanagers. "You wanna do everything? Have at it? I'll sit here and eat my beef jerky."
Not to be confused with the captain helping me out with the mountain of work I have to do before the airplane can move. I greatly appreciate when I get a little overwhelmed and get a little help.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
I think it's bad CRM to make someone feel like you did. Most of the time this can be solved with just speaking up. "I feel really rushed do you mind if we slow down a little." It's important to word things so you don't offend someone. Not easy to do when you already feel overwhelmed.
You don't have the luxury that I do, being scheduled and all. Ive gotten creative with captain pushy face. Usually I drive to start my rotation and get there before the captain. I have everything ready before they show up. It's almost always appreciated.
Once we are on rotation if a guy needs to get to the hotel and wants to rush I offer to put the airplane to bed. Just take the rental car. Go for it. I'll meet you at the hotel. No, seriously dude.
I hate rushing.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
I had a Brand X captain refuse a reduced rest overnight after a full day (and with 3 long legs the next day). We showed up at 0635 for an 0535 report. The extra hour made all the difference in the world.
FTFY, cmill
Two can (and do) do the work of four. "Wow, thanks man!"
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Heh. I used to fly with a C/A who would show up in a cloud of tire smoke like 5 minutes before the golf clubs arrived. We always got along well, because the thing was fueled, the FMS was programmed, and I had a stack of weather, etc to shove in his face. Now, here's the thing. Because I made allowances for his er "eccentricites", he made allowances for mine and we got along like kibbles n bits. Crew flying is a Team Sport.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Hey, 2.5 minutes a leg is significant if you're doing 25 minute legs all day long.The speed is in the air, not on the ground as well. I've timed people that genuinely rush against myself and all the running around in a blur of paper work, a half assed pre-flight, and not running checklists, saves about 2 and a half minutes.If I'm trying to beat the slow ass UPS jet out of the ramp, I may pick up the pace a LITTLE, but not to a point where I'm going to start spazing. That's how mistakes happen. El capitain should be able to recognize your stress level, if not, I say make it known.
#alaskapilotproblems