Need to Vent

[derg]

Both your asses are going VFR direct to Professional Standards.

I figure if I'm two slow for Captain Dick, he's got two hands, he can do it himself!

I've flown with guys that want to dictate what I do and when I do it and I generally just ignore them or offer them the leg. I'm an adult, probably as much airline experience as they have and I'm just out of the "put up with bs" mode.

#captainitis


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[Douglas]

Yer mom pounds captainitis. I'll take swords for $500 Trebek.

 

[moxiepilot]

I have always flown well at the same pace and never been late or had a problem with other captains until now because I spoke up but in a very professional way.

so were you uncomfortable because the captain wanted you to do things faster than you're normal pace?

 

[Boris Badenov]

Is there any way we can speed this up?

 

[Mark815]

If you spoke with the captain and he didn't cooperate, than it's his problem and not yours at this point. Sounds like he needs some retraining in CRM. Just do your job, do it well, and when the meeting comes up with the CP, simply explain your side of the story. If he has a track record as you said, the CP will have already been through this process with other FOs. Out of sync crew members is never a good thing, and there no way a reputable company would want a captain creating an unsafe environment.

 

[tiredcfi]

I figure if I'm two slow for Captain Dick, he's got two hands, he can do it himself!

That could make for a very uncomfortable situation in a hurry!

 

[tomokc]

I guess there's no "brisk walk" speed limit in the cockpit.

 

[TrustMeI'maPilot]

 

[Rudabega]

lol, nice catch.

 

[Goodspeed]

I saw that too ^

Maybe MikeD can read minds, lol

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I saw that too ^

Maybe MikeD can read minds, lol

I think you can get the time warp if you post, and then edit and quote a subsequent post.

 

[Hacker15e]

I think you can get the time warp if you post, and then edit and quote a subsequent post.

If you post twice subsequently within a certain period of time, it combines the posts into one.

 

[Hacker15e]

There's never a good reason to rush into the air.

Let's not be bombastic with words like "never" and apply it to such a broad topic.

If you must, then at least be specific and qualify it, like "Under normal circumstances, in the 121 environment...."

I have had a number of times when it has been completely necessary to rush in to the air (air defense scrambles for Operation NOBLE EAGLE after 9/11 and CAS scrambles over in Operation ENDURING FREEDOM).

As MikeD stated, it is completely possible to be fast, safe, and correct.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Let's not be bombastic with words like "never" and apply it to such a broad topic.

If you must, then at least be specific and qualify it, like "Under normal circumstances, in the 121 environment...."

I have had a number of times when it has been completely necessary to rush in to the air (air defense scrambles for Operation NOBLE EAGLE after 9/11 and CAS scrambles over in Operation ENDURING FREEDOM).

As MikeD stated, it is completely possible to be fast, safe, and correct.

There's a difference between hurrying, and proceeding expeditiously, too.

 

[msmspilot]

Tell that to the SAC nuke alert B-52/B-1/FB-111 crews when they had an alert launch order come down.

Then again, their's was a one-way trip anyway, so mistakes probably didn't matter in the big picture for them.

I know, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand; but it is an interesting look at aircrews who really do have to rush ground ops for a truly valid reason.

Another factor with the SAC nuke crews was that they had the aircraft preflighted, all the switches in place, everything hooked up, etc., then they got the call for "RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!!" And they truly were going no matter what the weather was.

There is a difference in being able to go crazy fast in that setting and what I've heard described of the 121 environment. In the 135 freight world, everyone is pushing for faster, and I just tell them I'm going to do it right. If that takes an extra minute, so be it. As UAL747400 said, it only saves a minute or two to rush. I have often had couriers show up early or have an unexpected problem, and when it was all said and done, realized that it had only taken 5 minutes to do what I honestly thought took me 10 or 15.

 

[Cal Goat]

The only reason to rush is to make your flight for the commute home. Otherwise, why not make more money?

 

[Bumblebee]

Mike is a fighter pilot...He can see into the future.

 

[mad2fly]

I know there is a different dynamic but I quite often find fo's doing the rushing.

I've had a couple new hires lately that are so eager to please that they seem to always be in a hurry.

If I'm PF they ask if I'm ready for check lists before I have a chance to ask, like the cruise check list before I've set cruise power. They will call 1000' to go when it's 1300' to go. Another one is asking if I want them to tune the next VOR that is 80 miles ahead when we are only 15 past the last one.

I have had to sit them down and tell them to chill. I'm not a fan of rushing. I tend to slow down also if I feel I'm getting rushed. I think in the back of my mind I feel if the other person is rushing and I slow down then the result will be a pace I like.

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[Bumblebee]

That's funny you bring that up. When I was a new FO I tried to hurry. I LEARNED to pace from a captain who was slowing me down to bring me into line with how he wanted to run the flow. I asked him if he was purposefully reading slower and he explained the concept of subtly pacing your crew member. Funny thing was, on a later trip, he was feeling a bit rushed and I paced him....he mentioned it in cruise and was proud that I took his example.

 

[MikeD]

Another factor with the SAC nuke crews was that they had the aircraft preflighted, all the switches in place, everything hooked up, etc., then they got the call for "RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!!" And they truly were going no matter what the weather was. .

Exactly. Not only were they trained and constantly drilled it, the aircraft themselves were cocked; though they still had a good number of checklist items to accomplish......but again, they trained for that.

And yes, they were going no matter the Wx. There was no "but Command Post, we don't having landing mins, we're going to have to delay until the bases rise..."