If there are any captains out there reading this please don't rush your first officers when flying. It isn't neccessary especially if a flight is going to be early. Please remember that you were once new too. I am not saying that all captains are like this as I fly with many great captains but, to the ones that do rush please slow down and do things right. Remember that it is a crew enviroment and we need to work together it is not a one pilot operation, rant over.
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Tommay85
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The speed is in the air, not on the ground as well. I've timed people that genuinely rush against myself and all the running around in a blur of paper work, a half assed pre-flight, and not running checklists, saves about 2 and a half minutes. 
If I'm trying to beat the slow ass UPS jet out of the ramp, I may pick up the pace a LITTLE, but not to a point where I'm going to start spazing. That's how mistakes happen. El capitain should be able to recognize your stress level, if not, I say make it known.
If I'm trying to beat the slow ass UPS jet out of the ramp, I may pick up the pace a LITTLE, but not to a point where I'm going to start spazing. That's how mistakes happen. El capitain should be able to recognize your stress level, if not, I say make it known.Well I told this captain that he was making me alittle anxious due to all of the rushing and he called the chief pilot and basically said we were not comfortable flying together and now we both have to meet with the chief pilot and I am not sure how to handle this situation as this has never happened to me in all of my time flying 121. This captain does have a reputation here for doing this, as I was told by other fellow pilots. I have always flown well at the same pace and never been late or had a problem with other captains until now because I spoke up but in a very professional way.
Chief Captain
Well-Known Member
Where are you being rushed? What phase of flight?
Tell that to the SAC nuke alert B-52/B-1/FB-111 crews when they had an alert launch order come down.
Then again, their's was a one-way trip anyway, so mistakes probably didn't matter in the big picture for them.
I know, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand; but it is an interesting look at aircrews who really do have to rush ground ops for a truly valid reason.
SeanD
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Tell that to the SAC nuke alert B-52/B-1/FB-111 crews when they had an alert launch order come down.
Then again, their's was a one-way trip anyway, so mistakes probably didn't matter in the big picture for them.
I know, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand; but it is an interesting look at aircrews who really do have to rush ground ops for a truly valid reason.
Maybe this captain the OP is referring to was a former military guy
. I see what you mean though.
Maybe this captain the OP is referring to was a former military guy
It is interesting to see how the SAC crews operated that way, yet still did it safely......rushing to get started and get off the ground like you wouldn't believe. The difference between them and the OPs situation is: a) They had an operational requirement to be rushing through ground ops and getting airborne; and a pretty serious one at that. And b) They constantly trained, over and over, in how to do it in the most efficient manner balanced with safety.
At an airline.....and truthfully in the vast majority of civilian flight operations.....the two qualifiers simply don't exist, mainly the first one. There's simple no need to rush things. Especially if you're already early, but so what if you're late even? You make up what you can in the air, and accept the rest.
A Life Aloft
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Your CP should be an experienced pilot who has heard and dealt with it all. Be calm and confident. When you see him, explain the situation as unemotionally and accurately as you can. You have a good record with the company, I am assuming and that is meaningful. Explain why you believe it is important to be detailed, careful and safe in your job. Don't argue, present your thoughts and side of the situation. The Captain should of listened to you and not created this situation. It was senseless.
Tommay85
Well-Known Member
Tell that to the SAC nuke alert B-52/B-1/FB-111 crews when they had an alert launch order come down.
Then again, their's was a one-way trip anyway, so mistakes probably didn't matter in the big picture for them.
I know, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand; but it is an interesting look at aircrews who really do have to rush ground ops for a truly valid reason.
I guess we should define rushing. I'm thinking a highly trained crew, with plenty of properly trained support crew members, and where the work is delegated properly can go pretty fast without being unsafe. Going "fast" isn't rushing. To me, it's going faster than your normal fast speed to the point where you're cutting corners and losing SA as a result. We've had many guys get in a big hurry only to hit a friggen cone and getting canned.
Chief Captain
Well-Known Member
There's never a good reason to rush into the air.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
OK, good talk, are we done here? Scheduled to push in 5.
juxtapilot
Snowflake
Wowsers. this is pretty much exactly what was on my mind too... totally sucks. *like, +1, #retweet
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
Unless, of course, your wife has just found out about your mistress
Bumblebee
Commodore
you can do a lot to pace the person pushing... If I am reading the checklists, I just s..l...o...w d...o...w...n f the other person is reading them, they generally go so fast they are not pronouncing the words, and I make them "Say again" until they say the words...then I sometimes mention that I am slowing them dow a bit, to help me do my job better.