Most conservatives have a lot of talk about private property rights and a business owner's freedom, but also apparently feel the need to regulate that same business owner's freedoms to sign contracts with their employees. A contract is a contract is a contract, except when it is inconvienant. Talk about the nanny state
Most conservatives have a lot of talk about private property rights and a business owner's freedom, but also apparently feel the need to regulate that same business owner's freedoms to sign contracts with their employees. A contract is a contract is a contract, except when it is inconvienant. Talk about the nanny state
Oh, Hi Waco!
I just took the liberty to point your lack of respect for anything and anybody out, in explaining my position to another poster. I did and continue to refuse to respond directly to your inflammatory remarks and insults (I do so based on recommendation of one of our moderators, here) - and instead chose to use them as an example for how not to be perceived as an employer.
You may be the only player with an understanding of how labor relations work and it's quite possible that you're the only one who has mastered how to read and how to "manage" people. The edge shall be yours and I hope you feel well in having it. I believe your position is perfectly acceptable and probably quite average, as long as you only employ people for things you are yourself capable of doing and stay small enough so that your decisions never affect a large enough number of people. Once you get large enough to have an impact on too many people's lives you may well find them unionizing, in making their point with you.
For many emperors it's a sad fact of life, that living things like human tools have emotions and can't just have their perceptions shut off. What a perfect world it would be if you owned their brains, capable of transferring them into happy drooling slaves, eagerly awaiting your instructions to go out and make you some money. A perfect world of emperors and peons.
As I said, I hope the quick buck you make on the back of your "tools" will create enough of a buffer for you, so you don't have to cry foul, when the liberals you have created yourself, take you off your high horse. That's all.
P.S. Please don't worry about my employment or future vocational negotiations capability or for my financial health and social & economic status. It's not your place to do so and for all I know, it will never be.
Lets move on and talk about Unions, could we? OKAYTHANKSBYE!
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Question for any others:
Is membership in ALPA or any union required within any airline? Either to gain employment or retain it?
I was under the impression that such conglomerates/ systems depend on freedom of choice for their prospective members?
What is the gist of "reaching out" in gaining members, JTrain?
I have worked high enough in managerial positions to experience work force representation (Europe, different laws) and this is how I came to "dislike" the creation of internal structures that avoided direct and upright communication. Our company (~ 2500 employees) responded with legal loophole tactics to avoid what basically amounted to a hostile takeover in pay, benefits as well as other factors.
As I said, a remarkable failure in reading comprehension. Try this, it could help you:
Oh great! Thanks, man! Could you tell me what it's called? Remember, I can't read.
If you send me that, I'll send you the book I think you should read:
Oh, Hi Waco!
I just took the liberty to point your lack of respect for anything and anybody out, in explaining my position to another poster. I did and continue to refuse to respond directly to your inflammatory remarks and insults (I do so based on recommendation of one of our moderators, here) - and instead chose to use them as an example for how not to be perceived as an employer.
Would you agree that this dynamic can change for a variety of reasons? One of which might be a lack of quality, which at least in the 121 Industry is not solely a product of employee conduct and professionalism? If you do, would it make sense to you that I have known a variety of very successful business owners who held on to their struggling employees, out of nothing but compassion? Some of them took large paycuts themselves, as they came to realize that people are not machines, you cannot blindly blame them for a companies failing. If these employees were the sole purpose for a businesses failure, I would not hesitate to lay off, furlough or fire. But, if they are part of a huge, interrelated machine that happens to be dysfunctional at it's core, the employer has a moral obligation to look out for these people. At the very least, the leaders of said company have somewhat of a duty to be realistic. Of course, this opens the debate to the Chicken & Egg philosophy, to find out what shortfall caused what failure. My argument is that in many cases, it's not just a black and white issue, Cause does not equal effect. In order to fix an ailing company, people must come together. I believe the purpose of unions is just that. However, I also believe that we have allowed unions to become to powerful, too tricky and we have created an environment that no longer fosters common sense and common ground, union or not. The system is out of balance.
... frankly, I took your remark in good humor and attempted not to take it personal. In the end I did not report your post as disturbing and have no knowledge of Bumblebee having found it offensive. I believe that people can slap each other within reason and then work their way out of the mess. That requires something that falls short, again - COMPASSION.
I can certainly see that.
I can see that, however you have probably never seen me say things like these, and I am about as insensitive to self abusers as a person can get. Otherwise, I would not react cynically, when people point out how they decided at age *Womb* that they were going to be Commuter Pilots. I guess one of the points at which our opinions may be closer than you think is that I agree, that if I was to start flying for a 121 outfit, I would probably want to be represented by a Union. However, the simple fact that this desire is the first thing that comes to mind when considering this as a career keeps me from pursuing it as such. I think it's a sinking ship, and if I have to elbow my way through by the help of a union, it's probably not worth much as a job to have. I work to live, I do not live to work and just to be part of a constant rat race. Others can do that.
I think that if you read my post, this is EXACTLY the reason that employees need to view their position in a harsh light (as harsh as the one that I put out). You have no control over management. I could run the company into the ground, loot the coffers, etc. As an employee, you have exactly ZERO control over those things. I think that an employee, for their own sake, is better to wake up every day and say to themselves "I am just a cog in a bigger machine. If something beyond my control happens, I'm toast. Therefore I should always have an escape route and back-up plan". That is the message I'm trying to get across. If you aren't on top of the food chain, then you are food. The scary thing about it (from an employees perspective) is that whoever is on top of YOUR food chain at work is probably in the middle or lower-half of someone elses food chain (customers, key suppliers, etc). Too many variables exist, and too many people (employees) get caught up in intangible feelings such as "loyalty" and other things like this. I'm simply pointing out that as an employer, I have an escape hatch. As an employer, if I can replace a cog with a cheaper, longer-lasting cog, that's probably what I'm going to do. If employees understand this fundamental truth and project my thoughts on every boss they have - no matter how "nice" or "fair" then they will be better off. It is about preparing for the worst and if you experience "the best" - then that is gravy. If you can read my words here and think I'm horrible (which was the entire point of my posts - to project the MOST malevolent and base thoughts that every business owner has) and prepare for that, then it helps you bullet-proof yourself.
And the "motor oil" remark and "usefull tool" remark was meant in good humor - but was also tinged in a great deal of seriousness to inform how people who work for others should look at their vocations and plan accordingly. It can be summed up in this Onion headline:
