Boeing opens S.C plant . flips NLRB an exclamation point.

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SpiraMirabilis said:
you don't settle contract disputes in Congress, you settle them in court. Boeing for some reason doesn't like that idea.
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Precisely. And it's a little loltastic that all the "git the gummint out da bidness" types are cheering on the South Carolina Attorney General's remark. It doesn't get much more Government than a Government LAWYER.
 
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SpiraMirabilis said:
It's documented and alleged by the union that Boeing executives said that the plant opening was partly retaliation for previous strikes. That makes it an illegal job action. You can not retaliate after the strike is over. The only "politics" this is about is the Republican politics bringing it up in the US Senate and Congress. It is a simple contract dispute -- you don't settle contract disputes in Congress, you settle them in court. Boeing for some reason doesn't like that idea.
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Corporations enjoy FAR greater freedom and protection from the courts than organized Labor ever will. So, Boeing doesn't have to like the idea of settling contract disputes...because honestly, they (speaking generally for any corporation) don't have to settle anything...because they win.
 
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From my experience: I've seen union jobs going from a major aircraft manufacturer to Mexico BECAUSE of some of the union demands. And again my opinion, none of the demands were valid based on the present economy.

In the long run all of those jobs gained in Mexico were lost here. How that serves the "common good" I'll never understand.

At least Boeing kept it in the U.S. Reminds me of how another Boeing entity (Spirit Aviation) dealt with a union a few years ago.....none of the negotiators lost thier jobs but they sure hurt the line workers.
 
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dustoff17 said:
In the long run all of those jobs gained in Mexico were lost here. How that serves the "common good" I'll never understand.
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and I wouldn't blame Boeing if told they couldn't keep the jobs in SC that they took them offshore. They are already doing that.
 
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dasleben said:
Well, it's not all-or-nothing...

Do I support the right of people to voluntarily join unions and address workplace issues? Absolutely.
Do I support the right of unions to be so powerful that they can sway the government to send unionized jobs to another plant? Absolutely not.
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So you support what TSA did in creating GoJet?
 
Re: Boeing opens S.C plant . flips NLRB an exclamation point

Does Boeing have the right as a corporation to relocate outside Washington? Absolutely. The NLRB never questioned that. Does Boeing have the right to do so to reduce labor costs? Absolutely. The NLRB never questioned that, either.

What Boeing did, in statements to the press, written communication to the Machinists Union, and in briefs to the NLRB was to say that the relocation was in retaliation for the Machinist Union strike back in 2008. THAT is an unfair labor practice and in direct violation of federal labor law. Retaliation against lawful labor activity is illegal. Period. Boeing then COMPOUNDED that stupid mistake by refusing to reword its briefs to the NLRB, deliberately setting up a confrontation they knew they would win in the Senate despite federal labor law. And some of you think it was labor unions that were using undue influence with the Administration? Hmmmm. Okay.

Go ahead and support that if you wish, but it certainly doesn't look very Kosher to me.
 
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dasleben said:
Logical leap here...how does TSA/GoJet work into this discussion?
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Don't be obtuse. Boeing builds airplanes. TSA/GoJet FLY airplanes. When regional routes become LAX-NYC or NYC-Paris you will most likely see TSA/GoJet flying Boeings...thus it is clearly a syndicate of Hulas and TSA collaborating with Boeing to kill labor and dig up and sodomize the body of John L. Lewis and Joe Hill. Anyone can see that. I thought you were sharp enough to see this.
 
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WacoFan said:
Don't be obtuse. Boeing builds airplanes. TSA/GoJet FLY airplanes. When regional routes become LAX-NYC or NYC-Paris you will most likely see TSA/GoJet flying Boeings...thus it is clearly a syndicate of Hulas and TSA collaborating with Boeing to kill labor and dig up and sodomize the body of John L. Lewis and Joe Hill. Anyone can see that. I thought you were sharp enough to see this.
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Could be more of a legal argument. While at this point the courts have tossed out the Gojet ALPA lawsuit 2 or 3 times many of the line pilots see the creation of Gojets to be an illegal management act to run around their pilots CBA. The writer may find some parallels, however there may not be enough of them to add up to a full "logic leap".

Anyway, back to something intelligent to discuss, could I have the court reporter cue up Spira?

SpiraMirabilis said:
It's documented and alleged by the union that Boeing executives said that the plant opening was partly retaliation for previous strikes. That makes it an illegal job action. You can not retaliate after the strike is over. The only "politics" this is about is the Republican politics bringing it up in the US Senate and Congress. It is a simple contract dispute -- you don't settle contract disputes in Congress, you settle them in court. Boeing for some reason doesn't like that idea.
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And of course, I like surreal's rather sarcastic point on this.

Beech aircraft had a pretty terrible product being turned out in the 60's (might have been 70's) when the striking workers were ignored and thousands of scabs were hired to replace them. It was a fairly dark time for Beech and their airplanes suffered when no two airplanes looked alike (assembly standpoint), and it was a lesson Olive Beech never forgot apparently. That's the problem with Boeing, when a board and a bunch of managers get into the pot, they see the airplanes as boxes to be checkmarked off never taking into account the future of the company. Where as true individual ownership see's the missteps as an issue they will be dealing with over the next 20 years.
 
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WacoFan said:
Don't be obtuse. Boeing builds airplanes. TSA/GoJet FLY airplanes. When regional routes become LAX-NYC or NYC-Paris you will most likely see TSA/GoJet flying Boeings...thus it is clearly a syndicate of Hulas and TSA collaborating with Boeing to kill labor and dig up and sodomize the body of John L. Lewis and Joe Hill. Anyone can see that. I thought you were sharp enough to see this.
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You're right. How could I be so short-sighted? :)

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WacoFan said:
And how well did the government do in regulating banking? Just sayin.
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Crappy of course. But it seems like the "right" and "left"" can pontificate about whatevuh...

So the government stepped into the banks cause they had too and basicallly screwed the little guy???? Why the capitalist uproar over Boeing? There is a strong argument that the government is what keeps them going, the WTO acknowledges that as well. Remember DDE and his warning on the MilIND complex? I am not taking sides here on where to build, but the idea that the government can't intervene in a company that is so tied to at the hip, and not make allowances for the little guy is nonsense. PAS
 
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