PNCL pilots are our brothers! Unity?
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crazyjaydawg
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can you say pain?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That pilot happens to be a very good friend of mine. I think if you ask him about it, he will tell you that now he understands that GIA is harmful to the profession, and he wouldn't recommend it.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
If it makes you feel better, I went to COLLEGE with a bunch of people that graduated COLLEGE at 22, and were on with majors (plural, because they scattered all over. Places like UAL, UPS, FedEx, blah, blah blah) after doing the same stuff. There were about 60 of us in class, and I think 20-30 of them were all moved on by 27 without taking a JetU/GIA shortcut. I was the slacker, as I didn't leave my regional job until I was 30 or 31.
One can be very successful with PROPER training, preparation and the right dose of timing. Ultimately though, it IS about the individual.
Todd, I know you did that program, but you have put as much effort into fixing the issues as you took out of it by your deal. I know you and I don't see eye-to-eye on stuff, but obviously you are busting your ass (Doug Taylor approved "ass") to make it better. That is to be commended.
Sometimes threads like this are a great demotivator.
I think "Hey! I've been down that road, let me radio back and tell you where the potholes are, where the hairpin turns are and whether or not you want to gas up before dark".
Beautiful day outside, I'm on my days off and I'm trying to convince someone that doing a shot of arsenic is a bad idea.
At some point, I just have to write off Cherokee Cruiser as a loss and note that he's someone I probably wouldn't want to share a cockpit with in a situation that requires judgement and experience.
I guess you can't win them all.
I think "Hey! I've been down that road, let me radio back and tell you where the potholes are, where the hairpin turns are and whether or not you want to gas up before dark".
Beautiful day outside, I'm on my days off and I'm trying to convince someone that doing a shot of arsenic is a bad idea.
At some point, I just have to write off Cherokee Cruiser as a loss and note that he's someone I probably wouldn't want to share a cockpit with in a situation that requires judgement and experience.
I guess you can't win them all.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
I feel you Doug.
However, no matter how obtuse the dissenting opinion, there's a reason for it. Maybe it's a reason we don't understand, but a reason none-the-less.
I rode the seniority wave at the last job, and it worked out well for me. But it took me a long time to realize the frustrations of those that were perhaps not so lucky. Some frustrations were well founded, and some were just the "my plan for world domination didn't work out".
Both jobs I've had (hopefully the only 2 I'll need in my career) have had some serious cheese moving. The first job was frustrating because the cheese was moving, and were elbows and A-holes propping the company up, and not getting rewarded for it. It was always "well, we need to sharpen the pencils to compete" while all the C-Suite were making more and more money, not abiding by the agreements they signed with us, and the company was making great profits.
This job, both companies were built on the backs of the employees also. However, the management decided to play a "Rob Peter to pay Paul" game of whipsaw. We had guys that spent a decade in the right seat after being upgraded then getting back downgraded. Again, profits are high and there is no effort on the uber-bosses to complete and implement the new agreement.
As I sit here typing this, it's amazing that both companies suffered from the same thing in a broad sense. The company was headed in a certain direction, and when it inevitably changed, the cheese got moved, and the frustration set in. I've seen that at majors as well, however, from an anecdotal perspective. The job was "A" when they signed up for it, and changed to "B" mid stream. I know you and your peers at DL felt that frustration through the BK process, however, Delta has made a very positive swing since then.
It's interesting to see how people's perspectives change over time and the events that unfold around them.
I'm not really sure what, if anything, this ramble is supposed to get at, but it seems like it's moderately appropriate for the course of discussion in this thread.
Whether it's a solid business model change, or a merger process, I think the uncertainty of what the next "rule set" is brings out either super optimistic or super pessimistic mindsets. It seems to be more amplified when the people most affected by the process are the most removed from any control of the process.
However, no matter how obtuse the dissenting opinion, there's a reason for it. Maybe it's a reason we don't understand, but a reason none-the-less.
I rode the seniority wave at the last job, and it worked out well for me. But it took me a long time to realize the frustrations of those that were perhaps not so lucky. Some frustrations were well founded, and some were just the "my plan for world domination didn't work out".
Both jobs I've had (hopefully the only 2 I'll need in my career) have had some serious cheese moving. The first job was frustrating because the cheese was moving, and were elbows and A-holes propping the company up, and not getting rewarded for it. It was always "well, we need to sharpen the pencils to compete" while all the C-Suite were making more and more money, not abiding by the agreements they signed with us, and the company was making great profits.
This job, both companies were built on the backs of the employees also. However, the management decided to play a "Rob Peter to pay Paul" game of whipsaw. We had guys that spent a decade in the right seat after being upgraded then getting back downgraded. Again, profits are high and there is no effort on the uber-bosses to complete and implement the new agreement.
As I sit here typing this, it's amazing that both companies suffered from the same thing in a broad sense. The company was headed in a certain direction, and when it inevitably changed, the cheese got moved, and the frustration set in. I've seen that at majors as well, however, from an anecdotal perspective. The job was "A" when they signed up for it, and changed to "B" mid stream. I know you and your peers at DL felt that frustration through the BK process, however, Delta has made a very positive swing since then.
It's interesting to see how people's perspectives change over time and the events that unfold around them.
I'm not really sure what, if anything, this ramble is supposed to get at, but it seems like it's moderately appropriate for the course of discussion in this thread.
Whether it's a solid business model change, or a merger process, I think the uncertainty of what the next "rule set" is brings out either super optimistic or super pessimistic mindsets. It seems to be more amplified when the people most affected by the process are the most removed from any control of the process.
v1valarob
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From the Mesaba Airlines ALPA Facebook page:
"Early this morning, Arbitrator Richard Bloch contacted the three Merger committee chairmen and requested updated seniority lists from all three groups. As of this writing, the Mesaba Merger committee has supplied an updated seniority list to Arbitrator Bloch."
I have a feeling that this is going to be dragged out for a little longer.
"Early this morning, Arbitrator Richard Bloch contacted the three Merger committee chairmen and requested updated seniority lists from all three groups. As of this writing, the Mesaba Merger committee has supplied an updated seniority list to Arbitrator Bloch."
I have a feeling that this is going to be dragged out for a little longer.
pilotlight
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how about the 36 company wide positions we have to bid on now, the first couple vacancies are going to be crazy once we find out the results of the list.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I saw the new form. My first thought was "Oh, THAT'S what they're going to do with all those LGA FOs."
Honestly, as long as I don't get jacked back on reserve, I couldn't care less. I'm pretty much burned out and fatigued about everything with the word "Pinnacle" on it. 5+ years of contract negoations, management hopscotch, two airline acuqisitions/mergers/whatever, reserve, displacement, commuting, and now an SLI that seems to be about as forthcoming as last Saturday's rapture. I really just don't care anymore. Although, if I wind up commuting to reserve in JFK, after I move back to MCO, I'm gonna be doing some serious re-evaluation of the career. 3+ years living in base was bad enough. I don't know how much longer I could stick it out until the "pilot shortage" happens and I'm able to move up the ladder.....
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I saw the new form. My first thought was "Oh, THAT'S what they're going to do with all those LGA FOs."
Honestly, as long as I don't get jacked back on reserve, I couldn't care less. I'm pretty much burned out and fatigued about everything with the word "Pinnacle" on it. 5+ years of contract negoations, management hopscotch, two airline acuqisitions/mergers/whatever, reserve, displacement, commuting, and now an SLI that seems to be about as forthcoming as last Saturday's rapture. I really just don't care anymore. Although, if I wind up commuting to reserve in JFK, after I move back to MCO, I'm gonna be doing some serious re-evaluation of the career. 3+ years living in base was bad enough. I don't know how much longer I could stick it out until the "pilot shortage" happens and I'm able to move up the ladder.....
You and I are going to end up at Best Buy stocking shelves in about 2 years my man. Only question now is will we be at the same store.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
jynxyjoe
Queso King
As long as I'm senior to you. That's really all that matters.
You are an old man, grandpa.
jhugz
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Just an outsider looking in. This industry is unfortunately viewed by our brethren as a result based system. If someone went to Gulfstream and it worked for him, why couldn't it work for himself. I'm not agreeing with Gulfstream but that's the logic, and I can also see that side of the argument. I also find it laughable that some go to work for McDonald's wages and then bash others who pay to work and that's viewed on two different sides of the spectrum, when really, they're real damn close.
Says he who fell on his ass his first week on property!
(u know I love you man, it was an easy shot!)
L-16B
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Cuz he don't want to admit how close In RELATIVE seniority he would be to a 9L guy based on DOH. I've called him out several times on incorrect statistics that he has used yet he won't acknowledge it. Either a troll or a moron, I wanna know his name so he cant ever swing my gear