Cal Varnson
Well-Known Member
I knew it was like that for a lot of corporate jobs. I thought that with the airlines, it was one of those things that couldn't hurt but was not required. Guess I wasted another 60 bucks.
Am I the only confused one?
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I knew it was like that for a lot of corporate jobs. I thought that with the airlines, it was one of those things that couldn't hurt but was not required. Guess I wasted another 60 bucks.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
It's true with any job in any industry.
Cal Varnson
Well-Known Member
I don't think so. I've gotten lots of jobs where I didn't know a soul. But yes, with aviation that's very true. I guess the point I was trying to make is why have something like Airlineapps or other job services when you have to know someone who will walk your stuff in.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
I've gotten every single job I've had, inside and outside aviation, because I knew somebody.
Airlineapps is just a way to apply, it makes it easier for HR departments to filter resumes through services such as airlineapps.
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
Comm checkride tomorrow, 214 PIC 254 total
Why people are so far from 250PIC after a commercial is beyond me. I had a buddy I flew with he was about 160TT and like 60PIC. I'm not really sure how you do that unless you fly 100 hours as a private... I know he didn't get multi instruction or anything that he wouldn't be able to log PIC..
who knows!
z987k
Well-Known Member
Only 2 things I can think of, are it took him 100 hours to get the SE PPL or he also did his multi ppl and took a lot of time to get that. Either way, that's a lot.
When I got my com at 250tt, I think I had 190pic or so. Took another 60 hours to meet that requirement. that is so little to ask it's not funny, and you still don't know crap at 310tt.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
I can't even imagine what they would be hiring THAT many for. Word on our side is SkyWest Inc. has put a moratorium on hiring for the unforeseen future due to financial constraints. Which, is mind boggling. So, I sure as hell hope that's false because neither ASA, ExpressJet, or SkyWest Airlines can operate at current staffing levels - well - we can operate, but not at the performance levels we are required of by our CPA partners.
Anyway...
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
To add fuel to this fire- we have it on authority that at Eagle, the definition of 'adequately staffed' has officially changed. "Just barely, almost sorta enough if things go just perfect" won't cut it anymore. The green light has come down from the top to "get fat" compared to past years. Unfortunately we're *way* behind the curve on that and will be all summer, but the end goal with this hiring wave is to flesh out the staffing model in general.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Hey, can you do me a favor?
Find out what psychedelic drug your leadership is tripping on right now, and let me know so I can get some from my guy in East Point and drop it in the water supply over in Hapeville, GA so that our leadership will perhaps - just MAYBE - drink some.
CRJDriver
Well-Known Member
I think the hour requirements for Commercial are less under FAR 141. That might be why?!?
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
Still, the requirement is 190 I believe. How can you not have 100PIC by then? Are students really taking 90 hours to do privates under 141?
z987k
Well-Known Member
Yeah, it's 190TT iirc. Still... but does a 190TT 140ish pic pilot need to be anywhere near an RJ? We're still only asking them to build around 100 hours pic post com. If you think about it, that still puts them ~300tt and 250pic. I don't think that's much to ask at all, in fact it's far too little... well I guess maybe if you feel you're god's gift to aviation and are entitled to something.
OTOH, if you offered me a right seat in an RJ at 300tt I would have taken it and would have never known how much learning I would have missed, and possibly not cared.
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
I agree. I'm sitting at 250 and I am seriously not sure if I can be a commercial pilot of any kind. I've been up with 3 different people(because I'm so uncertain as to how well prepared I am) who just go: Dude what the hell we're wasting time you're gonna be fine you've done everything within PTS and more
But I don't think I have the experience and knowledge to be a commercial pilot. I know I have enough to pass the commercial checkride, but to me that's not enough. I am going to go in tomorrow and do what I do, but I am still learning with every flight. Does that ever go away?
edit: Not that I doubt my skills, I just know that there is much that I don't know, and I have to learn that and I feel like getting a comm before I learn all that I can is somewhat cheating, but at the same time what am I supposed to do, put it off until I'm 60?
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
I am at 250 and if I were given a job in a jet, I'd be grateful and do my best, but to be 100% honest, I don't think I could keep up for at least a few months but who knows... (god I abuse and rape comma use)Yeah, it's 190TT iirc. Still... but does a 190TT 140ish pic pilot need to be anywhere near an RJ? We're still only asking them to build around 100 hours pic post com. If you think about it, that still puts them ~300tt and 250pic. I don't think that's much to ask at all, in fact it's far too little... well I guess maybe if you feel you're god's gift to aviation and are entitled to something.
z987k
Well-Known Member
It might go away at some point, but I'm just shy of 1200tt which isn't really a lot either, and while I don't know if I learn something on every single flight, I do learn, and at the very least experience new things at least once a week. I'm sure that continues to some extent for a very long time, especially when no one is there to hold your hand, which is important IMO. All the pic in training is hardly pic. Once you're safe enough to probably not kill yourself and others(cpl), they let you go experience all the stuff you read about, but never see in a highly structured or training environment. At least that's how it seems like it works.
That's why I wonder how well putting someone with negligible pic time straight into an FO position works for their decision making ability. You can emulate the captain once it's your time, but it's never been completely up to you and you alone. Hence the PIC requirement... but if they just bend the rules when the rule is inconvenient, well then why have it at all? Why not just let 50 hour SE ppl in the right seat?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Part 141 is where a lot of our sub-200TT/50-60 PIC guys came from.
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
That's exactly how I see it, after my private I didn't fly with an instructor until I had all my XC requirements for 61 instrument, then I flew with an instructor, got the instrument, flew more until I was 15 hours shy of 250 and instructored up for the comm. I honestly don't know why some people are afraid to fly without an instructor. If you're not learning something for a rating or cert, leave the instructor at home. I learned more in the 20 hours after my private than I did in the 50 hours it took me to get it. People really undervalue how important legitimately acting PIC (alone) is to themselves as a pilot.
I like the way you think.
out of my 212 PIC 50 of it is with instruction (instrument and comm) so while I do have a lot of PIC that's not dual or safety crap, I feel like at least in my neck of the woods, that is far from the norm. (162 PIC with no other pilot in the plane)
They should ask for some sort of PIC that is NOT Dual
I don't know...
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
And while they may be great pilots, the time you spend flying alone is when you REALLY learn. z987k makes some great points and I agree completely.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
I'm not in the airlines but if I was in your shoes, I'd have a hard time not looking constipated and saying "what the blank is wrong with you!?" if I saw the guy that didn't have 250 PIC, especially if it affected my current day at the last minute.
z987k
Well-Known Member
It's because we make beer
Solo? I guess you could have a non-rated person and it would not be solo...
Also, I think we're the only country that counts dual received while properly rated as pic. The whole acting vs logging thing. I just checked, and of my 1181 hours, 574 is solo(no one else at all). Maybe that's why I'm biased, I fly alone so damn much.