Phraseology Nazis

seagull said:
It is true. Being from the U.S., I found that the language use in the U.K. took some getting used to, as the controllers there use some local slang also, as do other English speaking country controllers. Things like "climb level three hundred" can be confusing at first. Made worse as in the U.S., many use the word "level" to mean "maintaining", whereas the rest of the World "level" pretty much ALWAYS means "Flight Level".
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"Climb to flight level two eighty, radar heading 150, contact Brest control on one-two-eight-decimal-four-two-five-six-nine-five-trrrrreee standby callyouback."
 
I love the instructions like, "By the right 270 descend level 45". [translation: right turn to 270 degrees, descend to 4,500']
Can't use slang here!
 
Doug Taylor said:
Really? Depending on your FMS all you've got to do is just read it.

Funny thing is that when I flew the 727, a lot of guys had never been into uncontrolled fields before so I'd have to do all of the non-towered radio work.

"Monrooooooooe traffic, Delta 123, a 727, on an extended downwind for...."
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Monroe, IN?
 
dustoff17 said:
And this statement is from a new member of JC. What are WE showing the students, junior pilots, and others wanting to move up?
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True. Two weeks ago, I had to explain to my IFR student why we don't say "climbing to five thousand" when the last 2 American pilots just said it.:banghead:
 
Polar742 said:
As I think on it, we use other pilot's radio transmissions our selves to see who's ahead, behind, above and below us. If the pilots listening to us transmit only know ICAO style reports, our American-style reports are lost on them, thus removing a piece of the SA puzzle from their cockpit.
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Paying attention to other planes not only contributes to your SA when you fly the North Atlantic. I listen to other transmissions while I'm talking to ATC, and so do some of my better students. More than once, I've heard the question "what did that guy say?" after some non standard RT.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Not improper phraseology, but this wastes a ton of air time with ATC and annoys the crap out of me. There is a really timid sound pilot always flying at SQL and other Bay Area airports who starts(and usually ends) every call with huge pauses. Sometimes he even pauses between words. He sounds so unsure of himself it scares the crap out of me, but seeing as he's usually in 182s and stuff I doubt he's a student.

Tool: ".....................................Tower Cessna 123 3 mile final........."
ATC: "Cessna 123 cleared to land 30 number 1"
Tool: ".............Cleared to land....................30..................Cessna 123...."
ATC: "Cessna 123 where will you be parking today?"
Tool: "....................transient..........Cessna 123."

Seriously, whenever I'm flying around here and for a few seconds all I hear on ATC is an ambient cockpit sound, I know he's going to talk.

I swear if I ever happen to hear him talking on the phone in the mall or something and recognize his voice, I'm going to slap him.
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PM me the call sign, I think I know that guy!
 
dustoff17 said:
Wish it were like this here. I would love to hear a controller's response to "Got 'em on the fishfinder" or "Lookin"" be something like, "Please confirm, Does that mean Traffic in Sight or Negative Contact"?
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How about a controller's response to 'negative contact'?

ATC's reply... "eh, you'll see him on TCAS soon"

Heard that one today...
 
Total aside, but I fly with guys who get traffic from center in the flightlevels and freak out about calling "traffic in sight". I mean, if they're climbing and you're holding them down, sure, call it. But my normal response if we're both in cruise is "roger". They have to say it, you have to respond, but it's not like there's going to be a Crisis at the TRACON if you don't see em.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Total aside, but I fly with guys who get traffic from center in the flightlevels and freak out about calling "traffic in sight". I mean, if they're climbing and you're holding them down, sure, call it. But my normal response if we're both in cruise is "roger". They have to say it, you have to respond, but it's not like there's going to be a Crisis at the TRACON if you don't see em.
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What difference does it make if you call 'em in sight anyway? I thought that they couldn't use visual separation in Class A airspace? Am I remembering that incorrectly?
 
SteveC said:
What difference does it make if you call 'em in sight anyway? I thought that they couldn't use visual separation in Class A airspace? Am I remembering that incorrectly?
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Exactly. That's what I meant to convey...if you're at 15,000 and there's some guy with a whale full of christmas gifts trying to get up so he can make it to Durkadurkastan without refueling, by all means, call him in sight. But I find the "in sight" excitement in the FLs to be, eh, confusing.
 
Minuteman said:
I just realized: this thread was born Godwined.
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I dunno man! Coming back into the good ol' USA it's nice to let your hair down a bit. That first checkin with an American controller (particularly when coming from south of the border) is the best. :) "Hooooooooowdy Center..."
 
......Was listening to center on my scanner while changing my car's oil and I swear I heard no less than three WN guys checking in with this phrase: "ABQ, WN 123 330, any shortcuts?" Can't they wait a few minutes to try and guage the controllers work load or mood? Oh well, better than the Cactus guy who checked on like this: "Heyyyyyyy Albuquerque, long time no see, cactus 123 tree six oh, How ya doin?" jeez, with the Queens accent on that guy, you would think he was Snooki's dad or something.
 
Sunburn said:
PM me the call sign, I think I know that guy!
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He's in different airplanes, I'm fairly sure he belongs to a flying club at SQL or PAO. Usually in 182RGs, but I've heard him in 172s, PA180s, and a Mooney once. That voice haunts me. I'll make note of the tail number next time I hear him.
 
Just want to make two points:

One:
While proper phraseology is vitally important in the international area, (IFBPs are a pain, "What did he say?) the OP was referencing a carrier that flies domestically only. The problem comes from guys flying domestic before going international. By then, bad habits are formed. Plus, pilots have an ingrained, subconcious desire to sound like they have the "Right Stuff." Otherwise known as D-Bag Drawl.....

Two:
dustoff17 said:
Then when we fly into an uncontrolled/familiar airport in our jets we can just start saying, "Any fish in the area please advise". I like this idea!
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I believe the correct word is "Any sea kittens in the area please advise."



I am the grammarian about whom your mother warned you.
 
ChasenSFO said:
He's in different airplanes, I'm fairly sure he belongs to a flying club at SQL or PAO. Usually in 182RGs, but I've heard him in 172s, PA180s, and a Mooney once. That voice haunts me. I'll make note of the tail number next time I hear him.
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Sounds brutal. There is this one guy who flys a sweet looking old model 182 that sounds kinda d-baggy on the radio. Hint: just responding with your callsign to every atc instruction is not sufficient.
 
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