Skywest, ASA, Expressjet Merger?

ASA is buying Expressjet. And they are being merged. Not Skywest. So I don't see how it's being violated?

The way we wrote the letter is to hold the HOLDING company of the purchaser to the scope agreement, not the purchaser itself. We made sure that corporate shell games could not be played. ASA is not the holding company but, Skywest is.
 
Anyone have the seniority list for xjet they can post? Or could you tell what date of hire your number 700 is? Hearing through grape vine that the merger will be by DOH.
 
The way we wrote the letter is to hold the HOLDING company of the purchaser to the scope agreement, not the purchaser itself. We made sure that corporate shell games could not be played. ASA is not the holding company but, Skywest is.

I heard SKW created ASA Inc as the holding company for ASA or something like that. Not 100% sure though. Anyway JA is one ridiculously smart dude. I'm sure him and his team of corporate lawyers analyzed this from every angle for months. A court battle might be a waste of time and resources. Let the SKW pilot group decide for themselves if they want a union or not.
 
Anyway JA is one ridiculously smart dude. I'm sure him and his team of corporate lawyers analyzed this from every angle for months. A court battle might be a waste of time and resources. Let the SKW pilot group decide for themselves if they want a union or not.

PHhhtttt HAHAHAHA
:rotfl::rotfl:
Man, good for you for being so optimistic. I just hope this quote doesn't come back to bite you.

I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that just because some of your in house lawyers said it's a go, doesn't mean they are right. Whatever the case may be, I hope for the best for both groups. Maybe your faith will be rewarded, who knows.
 
The way we wrote the letter is to hold the HOLDING company of the purchaser to the scope agreement, not the purchaser itself. We made sure that corporate shell games could not be played. ASA is not the holding company but, Skywest is.

Ahh. Smart thinking. Now I'm curious to see what happens. C'mooooonnn merger! I wanna walk the Ord tunnels with chicaga so I can mop up his left overs.

Mop duty.
 
I wish you all the best, but this is all that's in my mind when I see merger threads....
 

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That's pretty much it.

Having been through one, even though it went smoothly (so far), I wouldn't wish the emotional hubris of a merger on anyone. Too many conspiracy theories, too much cattiness and the worst part is that the average joe is nothing more than a third-party victim! ;)

In the 'fog of war' of a merger, operations change arbitrarily, procedural changes are set forth by people who haven't touched an airplane in years (if that airplane type at all), all of the workerbees are left to make head or tail over what happened and you're largely left out on the "Bonus-O-Rama".

I haven't gone to work in the last year without asking the questions "What was that? When did that change? Oh hell, let's just cut to the chase, how do you want it done? No I haven't heard/read/seen that" and I'm probably more in touch than the average line pilot.

Then (there's more!) mix in the

  • "Yeah, I gained a percentage, but I lost X numbers!"
  • "You guys are UNSAFE! You should do it THIS way!"
  • "Back at (whomever) we did it like this for the last ten years!"
  • "If A is B, but B is C, it's clear that A+B = well, uhh, you just don't get it because you're dumb!"

    Augh!
 
I heard SKW created ASA Inc as the holding company for ASA or something like that. Not 100% sure though. Anyway JA is one ridiculously smart dude. I'm sure him and his team of corporate lawyers analyzed this from every angle for months. A court battle might be a waste of time and resources. Let the SKW pilot group decide for themselves if they want a union or not.

Nice try, so this news report must be wrong:

oday announced that it signed a definitive merger agreement with SkyWest, Inc. /quotes/comstock/15*!skyw/quotes/nls/skyw (SKYW 12.51, -0.01, -0.08%) whereby SkyWest, Inc. will acquire all of the outstanding common shares of ExpressJet for $6.75 per share in cash subject to the conditions of the definitive merger agreement. SkyWest, Inc.

or this one:

SkyWest Inc. expects its proposed acquisition of ExpressJet Holdings will close by the fourth quarter, and the company is basing plans on an aggressive 12-18 month timetable for earning a single operating certificate (SOC) merging its wholly owned subsidiary Atlantic Southeast Airlines and ExpressJet.

So, who is Skywest Inc? Well, this is what it says on their website:

SkyWest, Inc. (NASDAQ:SKYW) is the parent company of SkyWest Airlines. SkyWest Airlines is a wholly owned subsidiary of SkyWest, Inc; both are based in St. George, Utah.

In September 2005, SkyWest Inc. completed the purchase of Atlanta-based Atlantic Southeast Airlines. Read more about the acquisition in our Press Releases.

Translation: Skywest Inc is the HOLDING COMPANY for ASA, XJT and Skywest Airlines. The reason that letter was written was to bind a holding company to the scope of the agreement. It's what we've been fighting with over at 9E to keep things from being shuffled around under the "Pinnacle Corp" umbrella. That letter combined with XJT's scope means you're looking at either a 3 way seniority list integration or a protracted court battle that's gonna wreck Skywest's "aggressive integration plans."
 
The way skywest did it was rock solid. Even the XJT mec doesn't think there is any way around it.

Bring on the court battle, I enjoy watching alpa waste their money.

Say what you want but asa is now its own holding company. Skywest didn't buy anyone ASA did, with their own money. The paper trail tells this same story and the judge will look at the attempt to re brand asa as an attempt to separate it from skywest. The new holding company will stand in court, the precedent has been set before. The union doesn't have a leg to stand on.
 
The poster above is making things up as flamebait. He has no inside information from the XJT MEC.

I honestly don't know why someone with his attitude is allowed to post here. It's not that he occasionally posts lies, or flamebait, or baseless attacks, but that's all he does is his viscous little one-man war against anything ALPA touches, including other pilot groups.
 
The way skywest did it was rock solid. Even the XJT mec doesn't think there is any way around it.

Bring on the court battle, I enjoy watching alpa waste their money.

My god, Pat, the adults are talking... Mmm'kay?
 
The poster above is making things up as flamebait. He has no inside information from the XJT MEC.

Really? Is that why my friends at xjt that have called their reps have said the same thing? They may want to fight it but even they know it's going to be very very hard. Skywest did it the legal way and it doesn't matter how ethical it was or is just that it was legal.
 
The way skywest did it was rock solid. Even the XJT mec doesn't think there is any way around it.

Bring on the court battle, I enjoy watching alpa waste their money.

Say what you want but asa is now its own holding company. Skywest didn't buy anyone ASA did, with their own money. The paper trail tells this same story and the judge will look at the attempt to re brand asa as an attempt to separate it from skywest. The new holding company will stand in court, the precedent has been set before. The union doesn't have a leg to stand on.

God I can't wait to fly with you when we are all under one list.

Sincerely,

An ASA pilot
 
Really? Is that why my friends at xjt that have called their reps have said the same thing? They may want to fight it but even they know it's going to be very very hard. Skywest did it the legal way and it doesn't matter how ethical it was or is just that it was legal.

I've worked for a union airline and a non-union airline. I know it's easy to get into the mentality of "we don't need a union because management will treat us right." Trust me, I've been there. I even fell for it for a while.

It's great until the company chops up your line values to save money. They don't drop your pay rate (that would technically be a pay cut!), but with lines that don't pay a cent over min guarantee you might as well have lost 1/4 of your hourly rate. That didn't happen at my union carrier; the union had a say in how the lines were constructed.

Let's say that while you're taxiing out at your non-union carrier, you've got your head down in the FMS and the captain accidentally runs over a taxiway light. With a union in place, you immediately call the union's emergency hotline and get reps and lawyers on your side before you even set foot in the Chief Pilot's office. With a non-union carrier, you can simply be called in and lose your job on the spot (and I've seen it happen...just like that).

Non-union carriers often have an "up or out" policy with regard to upgrades. I know SkyWest has this policy. If you have a bad day in the sim during your upgrade checkride and the checkairman doesn't recommend you for another shot, you're terminated. That's it. That actually did happen to a poster on another website. Union contracts will allow you to keep your position in the right seat.

I could continue, but I think you get the point. It's naive to believe that management will always "look out for you"; in reality, they won't. They're looking after profits, and won't bat an eye if they feel the need to get rid of you or cut your pay. I've seen it happen, and it'll happen again.
 
Hey Pat,

Would you be this bold faced in a crew room? Because if so, you do realize that I looked at our seniority list in slc for rj FO's and there's only two names. Next time don't make your screen name part of your real name.

Now having said that, if you wouldn't have been making skywest pilots look so bad, I wouldn't of looked up your name. Now post like a respectable gentlemen and represent our airline the way it should be.
 
The way skywest did it was rock solid. Even the XJT mec doesn't think there is any way around it.

Bring on the court battle, I enjoy watching alpa waste their money.

Say what you want but asa is now its own holding company. Skywest didn't buy anyone ASA did, with their own money. The paper trail tells this same story and the judge will look at the attempt to re brand asa as an attempt to separate it from skywest. The new holding company will stand in court, the precedent has been set before. The union doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Without any legal training whatsoever, I can see how you'd be completely clueless on this issue.

I can assure you that you're wrong.
 
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