NMB ruling

pat84106 said:
Healthcare was lost, Why do people keep saying that? We went to a HSA system which is much better and it saves more money.
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For you. If we went to an HSA system at my airline, I'd lose money. Question is, how many pilots wanted to go to it and how many didn't?
 
Bumblebee said:
for most...not for all, and the downside is bankruptcy for the ones who are unfortunate. It could be you...
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Healthcare isn't a right and its not the responsibilty of the company to provide it. Well acutally because of obamacare now it is, which is bad for everyone.
 
pat84106 said:
Healthcare was lost, Why do people keep saying that? We went to a HSA system which is much better and it saves more money.
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I just thought it was interesting that you chose to call out Obama in a general sense, when your own specific benefits were altered with no prior input from your pilot group. I didn't mean to derail the thread though!
 
pat84106 said:
Healthcare isn't a right and its not the responsibilty of the company to provide it. Well acutally because of obamacare not it is, which is bad for everyone.
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by the same argument you made earlier, the benefits (Health care, travel, ESPP) that were sold to me as a major reason to work for the airline have been diluted to the point where they are difficult, more costly or unavailable to use. Additionally, the slogan "Corporate Ethics" begins to ring hollow when work rule changes are implemented without actual negotiation (Ready Reserve) and when the CPM is violated on a regular basis with no fair review or reimbursement (MinDailyGuarantee) not to mention the questionable practice of releasing 4am reserves by calling at 0355 and then giving them an assignment that ends after midnight on the same day. If you have an intimate knowledge of the current state of representation it is clear that the current system is not working.

Do you have a solution or do you just want to throw stones at people who are trying to affect changes in a positive way?

I would be interested in hearing your solution to these issues...
or...?

pat84106 said:
It saves me money as well.
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until you have a serious illness that would cost you more than most pilots could afford
 
Bumblebee said:
by the same argument you made earlier, the benefits (Health care, travel, ESPP) that were sold to me as a major reason to work for the airline have been diluted to the point where they are difficult, more costly or unavailable to use. Additionally, the slogan "Corporate Ethics" begins to ring hollow when work rule changes are implemented without actual negotiation (Ready Reserve) and when the CPM is violated on a regular basis with no fair review or reimbursement (MinDailyGuarantee) not to mention the questionable practice of releasing 4am reserves by calling at 0355 and then giving them an assignment that ends after midnight on the same day. If you have an intimate knowledge of the current state of representation it is clear that the current system is not working.

Do you have a solution or do you just want to throw stones at people who are trying to affect changes in a positive way?

I would be interested in hearing your solution to these issues...
or...?


until you have a serious illness that would cost you more than most pilots could afford
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I don't really see any "problems" as you put it. I am very happy with my current situation. Most of what you mentioned is just belly aching you hear on the sapa forums from some people with questionable ethics. Some people will always complain about anything. As far as the travel benefits go, those are the same with everyone and a union wouldn't do a thing to correct that.

I know we’ve taken a hit with some of our benefits but the hit is very minor compared to what other airlines have taken. We have benefits others don’t. Most airlines don’t get profit sharing and others have hundreds of people on furlough. We almost furloughed but we were able to get our costs in line and save people their jobs. If we had voted in alpa 3 years ago I guarantee we would have a few hundred out on the street because the contract would have tied the hands of our management. Also remember our wages aren’t taxed at 2% either like the union airlines are. I am very blessed to not have had my job affected by the recent recession and I know that is in part because we are union free.

As I said before I hope the vocal minority at our airline doesn't do anything stupid that they might wish they hadn't done. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
 
pat84106 said:
Not true, I can donate the 1% as a non member to a charity. As long as alpa doesn't get my money, i'm happy. I'll donate it to my local church everyone here seems so happy to make fun of. But it won't come to that because I have faith.
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Sorry, but you're incorrect. The only way to avoid paying the agency fee is to prove that you've long been an adherent of a religion that has a clear and historical religious objection to organized labor. Even if you fit into that category (and I'm sure that you don't), you still can't contribute your share to a church. It has to go to a non-political, non-religious charity that is mutually agreed upon between the freeloader and the union.
 
pat84106 said:
I don't really see any "problems" as you put it. I am very happy with my current situation. Most of what you mentioned is just belly aching you hear on the sapa forums from some people with questionable ethics. Some people will always complain about anything. As far as the travel benefits go, those are the same with everyone and a union wouldn't do a thing to correct that.

I know we’ve taken a hit with some of our benefits but the hit is very minor compared to what other airlines have taken. We have benefits others don’t. Most airlines don’t get profit sharing and others have hundreds of people on furlough. We almost furloughed but we were able to get our costs in line and save people their jobs. If we had voted in alpa 3 years ago I guarantee we would have a few hundred out on the street because the contract would have tied the hands of our management. Also remember our wages aren’t taxed at 2% either like the union airlines are. I am very blessed to not have had my job affected by the recent recession and I know that is in part because we are union free.

As I said before I hope the vocal minority at our airline doesn't do anything stupid that they might wish they hadn't done. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
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Can anyone count how many I's were in his post?
 
Let me ask you what you think about:

calling a 4-4 reserve at 0355 and then assigning them a trip at 1005 that could last until 0005?

Not paying MDG in other words calling a reserve in and only paying the 20 hours of flight time against guarantee...when it states clearly that they should get 3:45 against guarantee.

Employee Stock Purchase Plan just taken and the replacement never defined

Charging employees for benefits still listed as industry leading but are not.

I'm curious where you think the questionable ethics lie on these issues....
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Sorry, but you're incorrect. The only way to avoid paying the agency fee is to prove that you've long been an adherent of a religion that has a clear and historical religious objection to organized labor. Even if you fit into that category (and I'm sure that you don't), you still can't contribute your share to a church. It has to go to a non-political, non-religious charity that is mutually agreed upon between the freeloader and the union.
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don't you think its wrong that in this so-called free country that you are forced to join a union? Whatever happened to this thing called "free association"? In the soviet union people were forced to be a part of the communist party.

mrivc211 said:
Can anyone count how many I's were in his post?
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and...?
 
pat84106 said:
I havn't heard of anything like that. But given the proximity of the time I think it was someone just nitpicking.

Btw do you even work for skywest?
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it has happened time and again...I am intimately aware of this occurring...
along with releasing those smart enough to not answer the phone until after 0400 at 0403 and then releasing them until 1203 and then assigned a trip that has the potential to work until 0200...do you think this is a safe practice? What about ethical?


As far as working at SkW what about you? Do you fly the RJ into Chicago?

Are you aware of the deicing problem with pay and historical flight values that are dropping?

OK why not address the complete violation of the CPM and the way that they are not paying MGD for coming to work thereby avoiding the liability of a pilot breaking guarantee?
 
Bumblebee said:
it has happened time and again...I am intimately aware of this occurring...
along with releasing those smart enough to not answer the phone until after 0400 at 0403 and then releasing them until 1203 and then assigned a trip that has the potential to work until 0200...do you think this is a safe practice? What about ethical?

OK why not address the complete violation of the CPM and the way that they are not paying MGD for coming to work thereby avoiding the liability of a pilot breaking guarantee?
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I know plenty of people in SLC that are on reserve and I have not heard stories similar or even close to what you are describing so I don't have anything to say about it and I havn't been on reserve in years.

Btw do you work for skywest?
 
pat84106 said:
I know plenty of people in SLC that are on reserve and I have not heard stories similar or even close to what you are describing so I don't have anything to say about it and I havn't been on reserve in years.

Btw do you work for skywest?
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curious why this matters... but I do, for now.

I am aware of this practice and the others I listed above.
It is easy if you are senior enough to not have to worry about many of these issues, I know each thing I posted as true...

SO my question remains...let's speak hypothetically,
would you support the 0355 release of a reserve to assign a trip @ 1005 that could last until 0005?

or you could address any of the other issues I presented that you are aware of...

and if you're not, you haven't been paying attention to what's been happening at your company.

You see I have been paying attention.
 
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