NMB ruling

pat84106 said:
Let’s hope this gets blocked by the courts, It's silly that a vocal minority with only 10% could destroy a company. Even if the idiots at skywest try and start another it won't pass and I hope the company plays hardball and doesn't let this fifth column get away with anything.
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Fifth Column? Are you referring to the LDS church? Cuz that's the only reason unions don't fly in Utah...
 
pat84106 said:
Let’s hope this gets blocked by the courts, It's silly that a vocal minority with only 10% could destroy a company. Even if the idiots at skywest try and start another it won't pass and I hope the company plays hardball and doesn't let this fifth column get away with anything.
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So, you're saying the democratic voting process is broken? 'Cause this ruling pretty much just puts a union vote in line with that. It basically assumes those that don't vote don't care one way or the other.
 
Because otherwise, if they cared, they would have voted one way or the other.

This way, if they don't vote. . .well. . .they didn't vote, and there is no "No" or "Yes" vote to count.

Makes sense.
 
If alpa is/was so popular and needed at skywest then why couldn't get get more than 35% yes votes? There is even less support for it now and it seems to me that its alpa that is the problem not the rest of us. Now alpa has gotten its way and weaseled its way into a new voting system, I hope to god that this gets challenged all the way to the supreme court.


When you were hired you knew that skywest was union free? If you want alpa so much leave skywest and go to an alpa airline, I came here because it WASN'T alpa.
 
kellwolf said:
So, you're saying the democratic voting process is broken? 'Cause this ruling pretty much just puts a union vote in line with that. It basically assumes those that don't vote don't care one way or the other.
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no, its not the same, It would be like having a vote to have the constitution repealed. Voting for a president is something that will happen either way. Voting in a union is NOT the same.

Now everyone will be forced to vote to keep their jobs safe and that is wrong, If alpa was such a great organization and not the group of criminals every else sees them as they wouldn't need to do it the chicago way.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I'm glad this change was finally made. This goes to show everyone what a difference it is to have pro-labor lawmakers in Washington. This change is all thanks to President Obama and his appointments to the NMB. Well done.
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You hit the name on the head, this is more of that monsters radical anti-business agenda. First he destroys healthcare and now he give his mafia buddies more kickbacks with this.
 
pat84106 said:
no, its not the same, It would be like having a vote to have the constitution repealed. Voting for a president is something that will happen either way. Voting in a union is NOT the same.
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Minus the electoral college, it's EXACTLY the same. If only 500 people vote for the president in a state, and 251 of them vote for one person, the state goes to that person. Doesn't matter that 10,000 didn't vote. It doesn't go as 251 for to 10,249 against.

Now everyone will be forced to vote to keep their jobs safe and that is wrong, If alpa was such a great organization and not the group of criminals every else sees them as they wouldn't need to do it the chicago way.
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If you feel so strongly about it, vote "no" and try to convince as many other as you can to vote the same way.
 
pat84106 said:
Keep dreaming

Utah is a right to work state, so you don't need to join the union if you don't want to. I will not join either way and i'll keep my money. I'll just enjoy the free heidis
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Apparently you aren't familiar with the differences between state law and federal law. The courts have ruled that the RLA is federal law that supersedes state "right to work" laws. Therefore, unions can have agency shop clauses in their contracts that require you to pay agency shop fees, which are the same thing as dues. You don't have to join, but you do have to pay. If you refuse to pay the agency fees, then your employment is terminated.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Apparently you aren't familiar with the differences between state law and federal law. The courts have ruled that the RLA is federal law that supersedes state "right to work" laws. Therefore, unions can have agency shop clauses in their contracts that require you to pay agency shop fees, which are the same thing as dues. You don't have to join, but you do have to pay. If you refuse to pay the agency fees, then your employment is terminated.
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Not true, I can donate the 1% as a non member to a charity. As long as alpa doesn't get my money, i'm happy. I'll donate it to my local church everyone here seems so happy to make fun of. But it won't come to that because I have faith.
 
surreal1221 said:
Having fun?

All the more reason for some sort of quantifiable verification process for members.
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I think he's a pilot at a certain large Utah based regional airline. Fair enough, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Just remember to vote that way!
 
pat84106 said:
You hit the name on the head, this is more of that monsters radical anti-business agenda. First he destroys healthcare and now he give his mafia buddies more kickbacks with this.
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You didn't need Obama to lose your healthcare though, now did you?
 
pat84106 said:
no, its not the same, It would be like having a vote to have the constitution repealed. Voting for a president is something that will happen either way. Voting in a union is NOT the same.

Now everyone will be forced to vote to keep their jobs safe and that is wrong, If alpa was such a great organization and not the group of criminals every else sees them as they wouldn't need to do it the chicago way.
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Um....I don't have a dog in this fight, but your stance that people shouldn't have to vote to keep their jobs safe seems ridiculous.

Why WOULDN'T you want to take an active role in your future, whether that involves voting yes or no to something. Do you like having your head in the sand believing that if you do nothing that the world will turn out the way you want it to?

I would think being personally responsible for yourself and your family would be something you would be big on coming from a conservative background.
 
I don't think pat is an actual pilot at SKYW. Or if he is he created this account for the express purpose of trolling. There has no been anything he's posted that hasn't been a blatant troll... then he disappears for quite a while until the next trolling opportunity presents itself.
 
pat84106 said:
Not true, I can donate the 1% as a non member to a charity. As long as alpa doesn't get my money, i'm happy. I'll donate it to my local church everyone here seems so happy to make fun of. But it won't come to that because I have faith.
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TN is a right to work state, too. We have guys at 9E that aren't in the union. They still pay dues for the exact reasons Todd stated. If we were under the NLRB, then yes, you would be able to not pay dues and enjoy the benefits. That was more or less the norm when it came to the union at Disney (Florida is a right to work state, too). We're under the RLA, so the shop rules apply.
 
pat84106 said:
Not true, I can donate the 1% as a non member to a charity. As long as alpa doesn't get my money, i'm happy. I'll donate it to my local church everyone here seems so happy to make fun of. But it won't come to that because I have faith.
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Good luck w/ that! Faith is definitely the way to go. Here's an idea, how about you and your anti-union types ride the next election out, counting on faith and skip on the voting. Should work out well for ya.
 
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