Thank goodness Bye, Bye UND soon enough!

challenger said:
Well it is pretty much official, I will not be returning to UND next semester. It has just gotten to the point where I asked myself "You know I am not achieving my goals here, so why I am I still here?"

It may work for people that have endless pockets but not for me, it is probably a good thing I have not been able to get the loans to pay for flying. I will not be in debt, and I am getting back on track to achieve what I set out to achieve in the first place. I will just go to a college closer to home and fly at an FBO for half of the price.

UND could have kept me here, but the faculty has shown time in and time out that they care more about numbers then individual success.



The class structure in my 102 class was horrible, no one should pay a penny for such an inept teacher. When a person has to literally teach themselves subject matter there is no point in going to a more expensive college (with flight costs). I know there are some and let me emphasize SOME good teachers here but I unfortunately did not end up with one.

So to anyone prospectively looking at UND, my suggestion to you would be do not come here. If you feel that you want to anyways then, ask yourself these questions

1. Are you ready to have to deal with administrators messing up your financial aid or whatever else they can possibly screw up. (trust me they will find a way and you will have to go to 5 different offices to figure out what they messed up and how to fix it)

2. Are you ready to pay for required classes that do not challenge you intellectually (mostly on the general education side)

3. To live in a ugly area of the country that should no be inhabited.

4. To pay top dollar for not only a worthless degree

5. To be a human Popsicle for 4 months of the year. (This is coming from a person from Minnesota, this is the first time in my life I have been too cold)

6. To be charged for worthless things such as the Aviation Laptop and have aerospace administrators be totally inflexible to working out a different solution. (I am sure they will find another way to charge people for something they do not need)

7. To deal with bad weather and UND making the decision if you can fly or not. I.E not getting real world experience that may one day save your life. (of course there are certain times when you should be weathered, I have however seen some questionable calls for no fly)

8. If you are looking for a hands on program this is not it.

9. To learn to fly like a robot by using ridiculous checklists on a flippin' Piper Warrior

10. To be surrounded by guys and only guys in your classes.

So to anyone considering attending UND, please listen to me and do not it is not worth it. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A AVIATION DEGREE TO FLY AS A PROFESSION! Learn at an FBO and get a marketable degree.

Now time for any fanboys left standing to attack me! :popcorn:

Do not worry the door will not hit me on the way out, I will make sure to kick it out as I leave :bandit:
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#10 HAHAHAHA!!! That made my day! UND is just preparing you for your AF pilot training/career. LOL.

#3&5 Irrelevant. Good luck in you picturesque AF career. I'm not in the armed services but McGuire AFB surrounding area is where I grew up, not much to see.

Dude, after reading this, you're just annoying the hell out of me. Good luck to ya though. When you get older and more mature in your career, you'll look back at this and go, it wasn't that big of a deal to make.


P.S. I had a realistic vision since 8th grade to fly. So I worked as best as I could in HS to attain the grades to do so (so I thought). After talking to an AF recruiter I decided enlisting would take me further from my goal. So after being denied from Coast Guard and AF Academies, I researched ERAU and went to the Prescott location. I loved AZ, sure the campus was outdated a bit, it was HIGHLY expensive, and they required us to know checklists, flows SOPAs etc.. But I did it. I also did AFROTC there as well. After a reality check, a few talks with some real pilots in the field, I disenrolled. Went to ATP worked at a bank part-time and got through it all. Looking back I am thankful for the strong foundation ERAU gave me to progress further on my own. I took a few techniques they taught and disregarded a few. Every avenue you take builds character, and knowledge. Don't put something down now matter how bad it may be. There is always some good in something. My experience at ERAU wasn't the greatest, but I never had high hopes of it to be. Everything is what you make of it. Just roll with it. Paying the loans is part of the character building!
 
Gunnar971 said:
The last 3 pages in this thread demonstrate exactly what is wrong with America today. Too many people feel they are entitled to everything in life, and aren't willing to work hard and take responsibility for their own actions. If you don't like UND for whatever reason you can think up to help yourself sleep at night and distract you from the fact that UND isn't your real problem, that's fine. But as a former UND grad who was never fond of the town or weather or some of the classes I attended, let me give you some advice I learned during my time there, and in the industry afterwards:

Nobody out there gives a damn about you...Yep, I said it. NOBODY! And the only people that ever will are your family and those who you can make long lasting personal connections with. Everyone else is your competition, and only YOU have the power to change that. If you just sit back, let things happen, and expect that everything is going to be ok and life will turn out great- your screwed. If you want something to happen in life, you have to make it happen- and excuses don't make things happen. I have read many of your other posts, all of which usually have some kind of negative spin on them. To sit here and post on a forum about your problems and how everyone else is doing everything wrong only proves my point. If the classes at UND were too easy, then you should have gotten an A and have a 4.0 right now. Maybe instead of sitting there wondering why and complaining that you had to learn a checklist verbatim as it is written, you should have just kept your mouth shut and done it. Did you ever stop to think that you have less than 10 hours in a plane and the only people that have less knowledge than you are the ones that are going to be taking your 102 class next semester? And don't think for one second that 530 posts on some forum makes up for actual experience. To think, you want to be in the AF too. You think they will tolerate the kind of crap you post on here about learning, not being challenged enough, and what is wrong with the way everyone else is doing things? They'll laugh you right out the front door for thinking you are better than them and wont even give you the courtesy of saying, "don't let the door hit you in the ass".

So, here is my point: UND is not your problem. My friend, you are setting yourself up for failure, not only in this industry, but also in life if you continue your way of thinking. Every time you get that feeling in the back of your mind that you are entitled to something just remember- no one gives a damn about you. If you want something done, you'll have to do it yourself through hard work, dedication, and the realization that NOTHING in life is ever given to you- only earned.

So good luck at whatever it is you decide to do- really I honestly meant it. But when things still aren't going your way, come back and read through this thread and you will know why.

And that one sir, is free of charge! You've earned it...
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WOW---I just stumbled upon this thread and post. It is by far, the best written, most truthful, insightful post pretty much EVER.

It looks like you don't post on here much, which is a shame. Your wisdom and views are spot on. :rawk:

I wish your post could be made a "sticky" for every JC'er to read. (Not to embarrass the OP, but just as a general view of life from someone who knows from where he speaks.) THANK YOU AGAIN! :)
 
Qgar said:
WOW---I just stumbled upon this thread and post. It is by far, the best written, most truthful, insightful post pretty much EVER.

It looks like you don't post on here much, which is a shame. Your wisdom and views are spot on. :rawk:

I wish your post could be made a "sticky" for every JC'er to read. (Not to embarrass the OP, but just as a general view of life from someone who knows from where he speaks.) THANK YOU AGAIN! :)
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Thank you for the kind words sir, and to others who have thought similarly. As for being a sticky, Im sure an Admin would be able to make something happen if you really think it is worthy and think others would be able to benefit from it. Just happy to be able to make a worth while contribution around here. The site helps a lot of people, Im just happy to give back.
 
DaveC said:
And I would suggest not claiming to know better than everyone else in aviaiton when you're the FNG.


Edit: And sorry for not having time to spellcheck in between being paid to fly. Maybe if you spent a little less time worrying about spelling here and more time studying you would be doing better in your classes that "aren't challenging enough."
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Well Mr Ringo, lets have a spelling contest! ;)
 
challenger said:
Just to add on, you guys really need to quit comparing my views on college to the military.

The military would be paying me, yet with college I am paying them.

Two totally different situations.
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the military will get more than their money's worth out of you.
 
nutz4life said:
A few days before you leave UND and are required to turn in your laptop, you should drop it on the ground.:rotfl:


:yup::yup::yup::yup:
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challenger said:
Haha! Your priceless man :beer:
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This whole thread has been pretty sad for more reasons than (not "then") I can count or care to express, but this little exchange about sums it up. Oozes with maturity, doesn't it? Maybe someday when you leave an employer you guys can intentionally destroy some of their equipment, too?

challenger said:
Sorry to be a grammar Nazi, but if you are going to insult someone I would suggest learning to spell attitude
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Don't throw stones. I've counted at least 3 of your posts on one page that have used "then" instead of "than" (#80, #89, and #92), not to mention the "your" from the priceless quote, above. Some people don't use spell checker,some don't understand heterographs. You're one of the latter...but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter, does it? Neither does this thread.

Good luck with your future.
 
AirmetTango said:
This whole thread has been pretty sad for more reasons than (not "then") I can count or care to express, but this little exchange about sums it up. Oozes with maturity, doesn't it? Maybe someday when you leave an employer you guys can intentionally destroy some of their equipment, too?



Don't throw stones. I've counted at least 3 of your posts on one page that have used "then" instead of "than" (#80, #89, and #92), not to mention the "your" from the priceless quote, above. Some people don't use spell checker,some don't understand heterographs. You're one of the latter...but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter, does it? Neither does this thread.

Good luck with your future.
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Your right, this thread does not matter. All that matters is my future. :beer:
 
Wow, i'm disappointed I found this thread so late. I would have loved to make a comment, but Gunnar beat me to it, as well as a few others. Sadly it is 2:15 in the morning and I need some sleep.

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