Thank goodness Bye, Bye UND soon enough!

challenger

challenger

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Well it is pretty much official, I will not be returning to UND next semester. It has just gotten to the point where I asked myself "You know I am not achieving my goals here, so why I am I still here?"

It may work for people that have endless pockets but not for me, it is probably a good thing I have not been able to get the loans to pay for flying. I will not be in debt, and I am getting back on track to achieve what I set out to achieve in the first place. I will just go to a college closer to home and fly at an FBO for half of the price.

UND could have kept me here, but the faculty has shown time in and time out that they care more about numbers then individual success.

The class structure in my 102 class was horrible, no one should pay a penny for such an inept teacher. When a person has to literally teach themselves subject matter there is no point in going to a more expensive college (with flight costs). I know there are some and let me emphasize SOME good teachers here but I unfortunately did not end up with one.

So to anyone prospectively looking at UND, my suggestion to you would be do not come here. If you feel that you want to anyways then, ask yourself these questions

1. Are you ready to have to deal with administrators messing up your financial aid or whatever else they can possibly screw up. (trust me they will find a way and you will have to go to 5 different offices to figure out what they messed up and how to fix it)

2. Are you ready to pay for required classes that do not challenge you intellectually (mostly on the general education side)

3. To live in a ugly area of the country that should no be inhabited.

4. To pay top dollar for not only a worthless degree

5. To be a human Popsicle for 4 months of the year. (This is coming from a person from Minnesota, this is the first time in my life I have been too cold)

6. To be charged for worthless things such as the Aviation Laptop and have aerospace administrators be totally inflexible to working out a different solution. (I am sure they will find another way to charge people for something they do not need)

7. To deal with bad weather and UND making the decision if you can fly or not. I.E not getting real world experience that may one day save your life. (of course there are certain times when you should be weathered, I have however seen some questionable calls for no fly)

8. If you are looking for a hands on program this is not it.

9. To learn to fly like a robot by using ridiculous checklists on a flippin' Piper Warrior

10. To be surrounded by guys and only guys in your classes.

So to anyone considering attending UND, please listen to me and do not it is not worth it. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A AVIATION DEGREE TO FLY AS A PROFESSION! Learn at an FBO and get a marketable degree.

Now time for any fanboys left standing to attack me! :popcorn:

Do not worry the door will not hit me on the way out, I will make sure to kick it out as I leave :bandit:
 
Good luck to you and your future aviation pursuits...

From the sounds of it however, it doesn't seem like you did a whole lot of research or you act like you didn't know what you were getting into. Regardless, every university or college has its problems with either the financial aid department, housing department, etc. My sister goes to a big university, and she bitches about the same issues with the financial aid department or professors, etc. It's not just at UND!

I agree with you however that it is not worth to go to UND or any big aviation university for that matter to get a degree in "Flying Airplanes". Hell, it's not even worth it anymore to enter this field as a "professional" pilot.

I, and many others on this web site always preach about not getting a degree in aviation. Some people listen, some don't. People need to do their own research and visit each college campus they plan to attend.

Good Luck!
 
CRJDriver said:
Good luck to you and your future aviation pursuits...

From the sounds of it however, it doesn't seem like you did a whole lot of research or you act like you didn't know what you were getting into. Regardless, every university or college has its problems with either the financial aid department, housing department, etc. My sister goes to a big university, and she bitches about the same issues with the financial aid department or professors, etc. It's not just at UND!

I agree with you however that it is not worth to go to UND or any big aviation university for that matter to get a degree in "Flying Airplanes". Hell, it's not even worth it anymore to enter this field as a "professional" pilot.

I, and many others on this web site always preach about not getting a degree in aviation. Some people listen, some don't. People need to do their own research and visit each college campus they plan to attend.

Good Luck!
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Thanks for the wishes for good luck!

Unfortunately, I visited UND and was impressed by the tour, it did not end up being how it was portrayed IMHO though. I definitely learned my lesson and wish that I had found JC before I came here rather then after I came.

I agree that a lot of schools have financial aid issues, but my personal experience at UND is far beyond anything that I have ever seen or heard of. Even if the same thing happens at my next college, atleast I will know how to handle them now. If someone says that is not the way it works, then do your homework and if they are wrong go talk to someone else! ha, I guess that is more of a life lesson.
 
Good luck. Are you looking to go to the University of Minnesota? It's a prestigious Big Ten school and there are plenty of good FBO's to choose from over at Crystal and Flying Cloud.
 
I'll tell you what challenger! Since I'm out of a job right now, you come out to the West side of the country here, and I'll train you myself. I got access to planes!
 
twotwowoo said:
Good luck. Are you looking to go to the University of Minnesota? It's a prestigious Big Ten school and there are plenty of good FBO's to choose from over at Crystal and Flying Cloud.
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I am thinking about the University of Minnesota Duluth probably. I am from the area originally and still have some good friends back there. My grades slipped some at UND so I do not think I would be able to get in the U of M currently. Might be too big of a college for my taste anyways (plus I cannot stand the Gophers). I am just looking to get my GPA above a 3.0 and get back into AFROTC and working back towards getting that pilot slot I wanted so badly, before I found myself in the wrong crowd at UND. Alas, road blocks do not kill dreams, they are just a test to a persons will.

I just got off the phone with the FBO in Superior, Wisconsin (Across the pond from Duluth) and they charge like 55 an hour wet on a 152 and around 80 with an instructor! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: It ended up being close to 300 dollars for a 1.5 hour lesson at UND. I will have to stop by there next time I am in Duluth and check it out. This aviation goal of mine might actually be attainable! Thankfully I only wasted a grand at UND.


CRJDriver said:
I'll tell you what challenger! Since I'm out of a job right now, you come out to the West side of the country here, and I'll train you myself. I got access to planes!
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Boise eh? Quite far, if only I had my pilots license so I could fly out there :rotfl: :bandit:
 
If you say your grades slipped so that you are below a 3.0 now, how could you possibly say that you weren't challenged in your classes??:confused:
 
Not trying to pick on you or anything so please dont take it that way but why were you out of ROTC with a below 3.0 I was in AFROTC and people were still in below 3.0. I think the min was 2.5 or something like that before you were put on "academic probation"
 
Stinger said:
If you say your grades slipped so that you are below a 3.0 now, how could you possibly say that you weren't challenged in your classes??:confused:
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There is such a thing as not being challenged by your teachers to the point where you do not learn. When the entire grade of a class is based off of tests then all you are doing is teaching people how to retain information to do well on a test, then a week later it is all gone.

It is very hard for people that have the standard listen to lecture learning style to understand what I am talking about, but the teacher needs to make an effort to make people think about the topics. Simply put, don't tell me, show me!

Yes, I need to learn better study skills, but I am honestly and truly telling you my teachers at UND have NOT challenged me intellectually. Being able to pass a test just means you are good at passing tests, it has nothing to do with intellect.

Some say that is how college is, well I guess I might as well either get a degree for cheaper or just be a English major because I get A's in English. Either way UND is out.

Phantom017 said:
Not trying to pick on you or anything so please dont take it that way but why were you out of ROTC with a below 3.0 I was in AFROTC and people were still in below 3.0. I think the min was 2.5 or something like that before you were put on "academic probation"
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I had to work 30 hours a week last semester to keep up with my expenses, so it was not GPA that caused me to choose to leave, I just could not juggle the 3 things. So I would think it will not be to big of an issue getting back in. I just would prefer to have above a 3.0 so I am more competitive for a pilot slot.
 
challenger said:
There is such a thing as not being challenged by your teachers to the point where you do not learn. When the entire grade of a class is based off of tests then all you are doing is teaching people how to retain information to do well on a test, then a week later it is all gone.

It is very hard for people that have the standard listen to lecture learning style to understand what I am talking about, but the teacher needs to make an effort to make people think about the topics. Simply put, don't tell me, show me!
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If you end up going for your CFI you'll end up studying defense mechanisms. When you do, look back at this post for a healthy example of rationalization.
 
adk said:
If you end up going for your CFI you'll end up studying defense mechanisms. When you do, look back at this post for a healthy example of rationalization.
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I am just saying that I feel no need to pay someone to not teach me something that I have to learn on my own anyways. Aviation can be taught better then this. Do not even begin to get into the psychology of this with me. If you like boring drab teachers that do not seek to inspire, good for you. I will not put up with them when money is coming out of my pocket however.

So there it is no "defense mechanisms" included, I am a capitalist I expect a quality product for my money UND does not provide one so I am moving on
 
adk said:
If you end up going for your CFI you'll end up studying defense mechanisms. When you do, look back at this post for a healthy example of rationalization.
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I disagree, I know what he's going through and i feel the same way.
 
challenger said:
Just out of curiosity, how much did you spend to get your PPL (if you got it there) at SCSU?
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No idea. Didn't get it here.

I think it's 86 for a C172N, 99 for a C172R, 75-80 for 152's. I'd go to Duluth though, that place is amazing.
 
PGT said:
No idea. Didn't get it here.

I think it's 86 for a C172N, 99 for a C172R, 75-80 for 152's. I'd go to Duluth though, that place is amazing.
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Yeah, from what I hear the FBO in Superior has a decent reputation. When I talked to the lady there, she was very nice and it seems like more of a mom and pop type FBO. It's a really good price for the rentals too as long as the planes are maintained well. It would be quite fun to fly around that area. I am sure much more eventful then my 6 logged hours in North Dakota, I mean trees, hills and lakes wow! :bandit: :rotfl:
 
challenger said:
Yeah, from what I hear the FBO in Superior has a decent reputation. When I talked to the lady there, she was very nice and it seems like more of a mom and pop type FBO. It's a really good price for the rentals too as long as the planes are maintained well. It would be quite fun to fly around that area. I am sure much more eventful then my 6 logged hours in North Dakota, I mean trees, hills and lakes wow! :bandit: :rotfl:
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And you can go to airports UND wouldnt let you go to, just think of the possiblities. I'm sure the FBO though will have a list of a few airports that are off limits to anyone, thats actually fairly common at most flight schools for insurance purposes. But they don't care if an airport has maintainence, or is unattended. They won't care if you brought your furry coat or thick boots... when its just 30 deg outside when a sweater would be adequate. They wont care if a thunderstrom is 20 miles out and your going off on a XC away from the storm only to dissipate by the time you return, ha! As long as you bring the plane back in the same conditinon as you left with it, your gold :cool:
 
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